You lucky girl, @Julie.
He must be good at something to distract you from the thrilling subjects of British standard numbers!
He's cooking our evening meal!!!
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You lucky girl, @Julie.
He must be good at something to distract you from the thrilling subjects of British standard numbers!
There is nothing to stop you splitting the ring, turning it into two separate 16A (or 20, if you like) radials and connecting your 16A appliance to this radial.I wrote this, which appears to conform with regs.
As I mentioned splitting the ring into two radials is an option. But this raises another flag. A 16A radial may have a number of 13A sockets in series on it. Either the 16A appliance can be hard wired into the radial, with cable outlet, or fit the commercial plug/socket.
Ripping a house to pieces to get in a cable for a 16A radial, when there is another simpler, and cheaper, way is rather well.....
Some sense at last.There is nothing to stop you splitting the ring, turning it into two separate 16A (or 20, if you like) radials and connecting your 16A appliance to this radial.
You do, of course, have to take note of the existing loads on the circuit. This is contained right at the very start of BS7671 under the jazzy title "Fundamental Principles".
That is what I asked and other way to around a problem.Unless I've missed something, it appears to apply to ring finals. With this in mind, what do other forum members feel about a 16A socket on a ring final, locally protected by a 16A breaker?
Interesting. So the installation I saw with a Wylex switch on the ring with a 16A fuse to a commercial socket outlet appears to fall in line with the regs, at least in part. Although, would a 16A commercial socket/plug comply or would it have to be permanently connected.Here is something that may be of interest to this thread. It's from the OSG, App. H2 -
Final circuits using socket-outlets complying with BS 1363-2 and fused connection units complying with BS 1363-4.
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Unless I've missed something, it appears to apply to ring finals. With this in mind, what do other forum members feel about a 16A socket on a ring final, locally protected by a 16A breaker?
"A circuit breaker not exceeding 16A."Here is something that may be of interest to this thread. It's from the OSG, App. H2 -
Final circuits using socket-outlets complying with BS 1363-2 and fused connection units complying with BS 1363-4.
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Unless I've missed something, it appears to apply to ring finals. With this in mind, what do other forum members feel about a 16A socket on a ring final, locally protected by a 16A breaker?
Another great thread from this troll.
Asks for advice then won’t listen to it. This guy would try to argue that black is actually white.
What's the point of having a RFC on a16 Amp OCPD? just to accommodate a 16 Amp socket simpler to run the socket from a dedicated 16Amp circuitHere is something that may be of interest to this thread. It's from the OSG, App. H2 -
Final circuits using socket-outlets complying with BS 1363-2 and fused connection units complying with BS 1363-4.
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Unless I've missed something, it appears to apply to ring finals. With this in mind, what do other forum members feel about a 16A socket on a ring final, locally protected by a 16A breaker?
Hi Pete. The 16A breaker would be local protection rather than whole circuit protection. It would protect only the 16A socket, and the ring would be protected by the usual 32A breakerWhat's the point of having a RFC on a16 Amp OCPD? just to accommodate a 16 Amp socket simpler to run the socket from a dedicated 16Amp circuit
Hi Pete. The 16A breaker would be local protection rather than whole circuit protection. It would protect only the 16A socket, and the ring would be protected by the usual 32A breaker
Seems like there might be a market for some sort of premade unit that would comply with that to allow the 15A oven example to be connected (where diversity and other loading conditions allow). Doubt it would be pretty enough to be on show though....Hi Pete. The 16A breaker would be local protection rather than whole circuit protection. It would protect only the 16A socket, and the ring would be protected by the usual 32A breaker
There are small, cheap units available that would take MCBs such as this one from wylex:Seems like there might be a market for some sort of premade unit that would comply with that to allow the 15A oven example to be connected (where diversity and other loading conditions allow). Doubt it would be pretty enough to be on show though....
"16Amp socket from a rfc protected by a 16 Amp breakerWas what was said MateHi Pete. The 16A breaker would be local protection rather than whole circuit protection. It would protect only the 16A socket, and the ring would be protected by the usual 32A breaker
I think we may be at cross purposes Pete? Are you referring to someone else's post?"16Amp socket from a rfc protected by a 16 Amp breakerWas what was said Mate
or try B&Q. just use a choc block and 2 layers of insulating tape.Suggest you ask on another forum. The Screwfix one maybe has the sort of getting around the regs ‘advice’ that you are looking for.
I would stop short of saying a 16A fuse definitely complied, but I couldn't say that it didn't comply either. The 16A breaker is mentioned in the OSG (in the 17th edition too, so it's not a new thing), being an IET publication we can assume it carries some weight.Interesting. So the installation I saw with a Wylex switch on the ring with a 16A fuse to a commercial socket outlet appears to fall in line with the regs, at least in part. Although, would a 16A commercial socket/plug comply or would it have to be permanently connected.
It looks like the rule of thumb that not higher that 13A off a ring is not true.
Yes Sorry Mate ignoreI think we may be at cross purposes Pete? Are you referring to someone else's post?
That may not always be practical - such as ripping a house apart for one cable, or no spare slot in the CU.What's the point of having a RFC on a16 Amp OCPD? just to accommodate a 16 Amp socket simpler to run the socket from a dedicated 16Amp circuit
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