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Hi, so I started a pat testing job in a big factor a couple of days ago, an I raised a question to my boss about if 3 phase equipment will be tested but he was unsure. Am I right to think that it does get tested? If so he has a new seaward pat tester and I wondered if its easy enough to do this and how you would do the test?
 
It should be tested, but whether or not you're doing the testing depends on what limitations have been agreed with the client.

You'd test it the same way as single phase equipment - connect all live connectors together (including neutral) and test to CPC.
 
There is fixed appliance testing and Portable appliance testing, different things, I do understand both can be part of the same estimate or quotation though.
 
There is fixed appliance testing and Portable appliance testing, different things, I do understand both can be part of the same estimate or quotation though.
Correctamundo my Friend both come under the ISITEE CoP I believe.
 
I would expect there to be different rates between the two.
From what Iunderstand, the rate for PAT testing, is something silly like £2.50 per item.
I would not be testing 3phase equipment for only £2.50.
 
There is fixed appliance testing and Portable appliance testing, different things, I do understand both can be part of the same estimate or quotation though.
It's actually called In-Service Inspection and Testing of Electrical Equipment, and has been for a while now. People still just call it PAT Testing (a misnomer) because it's less of a mouthfull. It's only on places like here where people have coined the term "FAT Testing" (Fixed Appliance Testing) as a separate thing because they just want to go around plugging things into a machine and pushing a button, but in reality that isn't even a thing.
 
From HSE guidance:
Portable
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There is no legal definition of portable equipment. However, in this guidance it means equipment that is intended to be connected to a generator or a fixed installation by means of a flexible cable and either a plug and socket or a spur box, or similar means. This includes equipment that is either hand-held or hand-operated while connected to the supply, intended to be moved while connected to the supply, or likely to be moved while connected to the supply.
12 Extension leads, plugs and sockets, and cord sets that supply portable equipment are classified as portable equipment because they operate in the same environment and are subject to the same use as the equipment they serve. Portable equipment also includes appliances which have been fixed for security purpose such as those in public areas of hotels and changing rooms, eg kettles, hairdryers, hand dryers, lamps etc. The electrical supply to the equipment is assumed to be at a voltage that can give a fatal electrical shock, ie more than 50 V ac or 120 V dc.
 
As above - it is not 'PAT Testing' This is one of the worst terms ever invented. It's 'ISITEE' as Pete says above. It doesn't just apply to portable stuff, and it doesn't even always involve testing, so forget the phrase 'PAT testing'!!

Oh, and read the Code of Practice.
 
It's actually called In-Service Inspection and Testing of Electrical Equipment, and has been for a while now. People still just call it PAT Testing (a misnomer) because it's less of a mouthfull. It's only on places like here where people have coined the term "FAT Testing" (Fixed Appliance Testing) as a separate thing because they just want to go around plugging things into a machine and pushing a button, but in reality that isn't even a thing.
It's not just Portable, fixed there is a classification for transportable as well, I would imagine testing fixed and Transportable should be priced accordingly and agreed with the client or the Duty holder in some larger concerns
 
It's actually called In-Service Inspection and Testing of Electrical Equipment, and has been for a while now. People still just call it PAT Testing (a misnomer) because it's less of a mouthfull. It's only on places like here where people have coined the term "FAT Testing" (Fixed Appliance Testing) as a separate thing because they just want to go around plugging things into a machine and pushing a button, but in reality that isn't even a thing.
It's not just Portable, fixed there is a classification for transportable as well, I would imagine testing fixed and Transportable should be priced accordingly and agreed with the client or the Duty holder in some larger concerns
 
TAT testing?
Why are we all touting stupid things, ISITEE is what it is PATesting is no more, the sooner the factories , super markets, large businesses etc realise this, then we can move on, In Service Inspection and Testing of Electrical Equipment, can't be simpler can it? In Service and Electrical Equipment. Power consuming Apparatus, things that consume Electricity, be it single or three phase, it's not fixed wiring, the wiring is there to supply equipment, so lets not call it PAT Testing any more, give it the correct title, perhaps then we wont get people asking questions about PAT testing. If companies, sole traders, bothered to get up to date information, and then decide to read the Latest CoP on ISITEE then we can move on, these larger organisations nee to appoint a Duty holder to organise their equipment, catergorise it, to stop chancers conning them,far to many people, claiming that they have PAT testing qualifications, asking dopey questions, and claiming to be Qualified Electricians.
The larger organisations need to appoint someone as an asset manager, send Him / Her on a course, not to pass a meaninglees exam, but to understand what needs to be done to iron this problem out once and for all, that is until the IET change things again.
 
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