Another bad landlord

[Jon Bateson]

Landlord has completely disregarded my EICR because it basically has resulted in multiple C1 and C2plus a plethora of fi c3 and general comments. He told me not to quote for remedial work as a friend would rewire it. Six weeks on and working next door the family came out assuming I was there to begin remedial work. Landlord has told them my testing showed no problems??? I know I’ve fulfilled my responsibilities as an inspector but feel the need to raise this as an issue with someone Local authorities not interested so is it worth involving HSE ? Someone’s going to be hurt

 

[buzzlightyear]

you have done the work showing the remedials then is down to them what they do it does not concern you now .been their and the t shirt .

 

[Jon Bateson]

you have done the work showing the remedials then is down to them what they do it does not concern you now .been their and the t shirt .

Yes I know but you know when the tenants are a nice family it grates !!! Small kids running round etc etc

 

[Dustydazzler]

We as electricians have absolutely no power to disconnect an unsafe installation

Heck there could be a live cable poking out the wall and we still aren’t legally allowed to disconnect supply

Just make a note and move on

 

[Charlie_]

Give the tenants a copy of the EICR

 

[buzzlightyear]

I would ring the environmental health and tell them .

 

[buzzlightyear]

Give the tenants a copy of the EICR

dont be daft charlie ,and have them kicked out of a Bobbie trapped house.

 

[Charlie_]

I would ring the environmental heath and tell them .

I would tell my mum

 

[Octopus]

This thread demonstrates precisely why introducing mandatory EICRs for rental properties is a complete waste of time and money

 

[davesparks]

Give the tenants a copy of the EICR

Maybe advise the tenants to request a copy from the landlord, but don't just give them a copy.

 

[magnoliafan89]

This is why i love my job. Social housing. Any faults or problems i come across im expected to repair or book in asap. Any dodgy diy im allowed to rip out without the tenants permission.
Id hate seeing crap work and not being able to do anything about it

 

[Jon Bateson]

Give the tenants a copy of the EICR

Not a bad shout

 

[Charlie_]

How did you label up the cu afterwards?
Did you rectify the C1s?

 

[Jon Bateson]

I would tell my mum

If she can sort it, I will send her a copy

 

[Jon Bateson]

How did you label up the cu afterwards?
Did you rectify the C1s?

Labelled up no cpc and metal switches and fittings etc. Disconnected a redundant vri to an unused do switch for old immersion that had no insulation.

 

[Charlie_]

Maybe advise the tenants to request a copy from the landlord, but don't just give them a copy.

Why not?

I would definitely give them a copy..
Rather that than trying to repor it to the authorities.

If there is a fatality then you have done all that you can to protect the family that live in that death trap

 

[Jon Bateson]

Removed a flex hanging out of a pendant and that was that.

 

[Charlie_]

If there is a fatality you will be one of the first persons arrested

 

[Dustydazzler]

If there is a fatality you will be one of the first persons arrested

And if you pull out the main fuse and simply walk off you will likely be in trouble for theft or criminal damage ?

I suppose you could put warning tape all over the fuse box and a sign saying ‘condemned do not use’ and take a picture of it

 

[mattg4321]

If there is a fatality you will be one of the first persons arrested

Rubbish. He's done his bit and presumably informed the landlord in writing in the strongest terms that it needs urgent remedial work.

What more can you do?

Giving a copy of the report to the tenant without permission from the client (landlord) leads you down a slippery path imo.

 

[Charlie_]

Do you have system in place that actually proved you gave the landlord an EICR?

 

[Charlie_]

Ok.
So child gets electrocuted.
Landlord informs police that sparky Jon was last in there testing and told him all was ok.

What happens next?

 

[Dustydazzler]

Ok.
So child gets electrocuted.
Landlord informs police that sparky Jon was last in there testing and told him all was ok.

What happens next?

No different than if a mechanic tells you , that you need new brakes but you drive off and 24 hours later plough through 10 people in the high street because your breaks failed

Is the mechanic liable for 10 fatalities?

 

[mattg4321]

I would point to the fact I emailed the landlord a copy of the report with a covering letter stating what a dangerous state the installation was in.

 

[Charlie_]

No different than if a mechanic tells you , that you need new brakes but you drive off and 24 hours later plough through 10 people in the high street because your breaks failed

Is the mechanic liable for 10 fatalities?

That is a totally different situation.

 

[buzzlightyear]

If there is a fatality you will be one of the first persons arrested

will you be behind the police Charlie point the finger ,its him .

 

[SparkyAndGeorge]

What were the code 1's you found?

 

[Charlie_]

I would point to the fact I emailed the landlord a copy of the report with a covering letter stating what a dangerous state the installation was in.

I always get a signature from the person receiving the report.

 

[buzzlightyear]

What were the code 1's you found

on the paper. lol.

 

[buzzlightyear]

I always get a finger prints from the person receiving the report.

private dick on the side hay chairlie .

 

[Charlie_]

private dick on the side hay chairlie .

I smell the fingerprints of scum

 

[Wilko]

@Jon Bateson - has LL paid you for the report?

 

[Jon Bateson]

@Jon Bateson - has LL paid you for the report?

Just now literally. Took a lot of chasing

 

[Wilko]

@Vortigern might comment, but I’m thinking LL asked for a report, you gave him the report, he paid you for the report. So he can’t say it never happened or that he disagreed with it or some such.

 

[Jon Bateson]

What were the code 1's you found?

Bare ended flex hanging out of a pendant, lamp holder ripped off. Half a light switch, no main or supp bonding, ( no rcd ) exposed conductors.

 

[Jon Bateson]

If there is a fatality you will be one of the first persons arrested

I’m happy that I left it safer

 

[ruston]

To be honest it is the landlords legal responsibility to provide a safe electrical installation.

https://www.----------------------------/media/1607/landlords-guides-england_wales-2016.pdf

 

[Jon Bateson]

Do you have system in place that actually proved you gave the landlord an EICR?

I use the online NICEIC so yes I have a record and receipt for email, plus texts thanking me for the report !

 

[Charlie_]

I use the online NICEIC so yes I have a record and receipt for email, plus texts thanking me for the report !

Ahh great!
You’re covered then..
Shame about the tenants, perhaps email the LL thanking him for payment and ask if he has rectified all the observations.

 

[ruston]

Ahh great!
You’re covered then..
Shame about the tenants, perhaps email the LL thanking him for payment and ask if he has rectified all the observations.

Our local council will give the landlord a set period of time to rectify any major problems highlighted by the tenant, if the work is not done the council will have it done and bill the landlord.