Brexit. We’re out!

[mattg4321]

It's not obvious at all. It was always very likely there would be significant disruption in the short term. Probably actually worse than what has happened in practice, however Covid has probably masked it to some extent.

It's likely that it will take a few years for everyone to get used to the new arrangements and any tweaks made and after that it's anyones guess as to whether it will be a good thing or bad thing. Much depends on your personal situation and subconscious bias.

 

[buzzlightyear]

my Portuguese wine supplier. He tells me the favourite red I bought for about £4/bottle delivered to my door, and which costs about £9 in Tesco etc, will now cost me almost £8/bottle due to excise duty imposed when it is imported to UK...

Well tell your supplier that you will now get your wine from Australia and see what he says, rather get me wine from them then the EU.

 

[Deleted account]

I voted leave knowing fulll well Europe would make us pay for the big betrayal. They have to be ruthless with us so as to discourage other countries leaving.

a price I was willing to pay thus my vote.

giving billions to Europe and thanking them when they give us billions back after they have skimmed off the top.

that’s why i voted leave.

 

[buzzlightyear]

giving billions to Europe and thanking them when they give us billions back after they have skimmed off the top.

I will be not long before a trade war,
And will stand there with a cannon.

 

[andyb]

I voted leave knowing fulll well Europe would make us pay for the big betrayal. They have to be ruthless with us so as to discourage other countries leaving.

a price I was willing to pay thus my vote.

giving billions to Europe and thanking them when they give us billions back after they have skimmed off the top.

that’s why i voted leave.

I'd be interested to know how they're being ruthless Pete, from what I can see they're just implementing the rules and regs that we agreed to in the brexit deal.
Most of the problems are caused on this side of the border by our own border control.

 

[FatAlan]

I voted leave but regret doing so. I accept that we’re out now and accept a long drawn out negotiation process to occur on top of what’s been agreed so far. Whether that beats what had had previously will be the €million question?

 

[andyb]

I will be not long before a trade war,
And will stand there with a cannon.

There's no need for a trade war Buzz. What's happening is just normal, it happens all over the world at borders where there is no free trade deal or similar. It was all explained during the referendum campaign, you rember project fear?

 

[buzzlightyear]

Pete, from what I can see they're just implementing the rules and regs that we agreed to in the brexit deal.
Most of the problems are caused on this side of the border by our own border control.

Wait till spring kicks in will not be having
Vegetables from aboard every farmer will start to dig for Britain. Eu subsidiary for farmers, not now who's going to pay them billions for us out of the EU, will be going around to EU country's with a flat cap.

 

[FatAlan]

Late apologies for reviving this thread again. I appreciate that there are strong views on both sides. Would be interesting to know if anyone has changed stance and why?
As I’ve said, I regretted voting for brexit quite soon after the vote. I won’t go into the reasons as they’ve been raked over adinfinitum already on here ?

 

[DPG]

Late apologies for reviving this thread again. I appreciate that there are strong views on both sides. Would be interesting to know if anyone has changed stance and why?
As I’ve said, I regretted voting for brexit quite soon after the vote. I won’t go into the reasons as they’ve been raked over adinfinitum already on here ?

I voted leave and don't regret it. Having said that I wish we had never had a referendum, because of the hassle of has caused.

I would still prefer to leave, but there were too many people stopping it going smoothly.

 

[FatAlan]

Wait till spring kicks in will not be having
Vegetables from aboard every farmer will start to dig for Britain. Eu subsidiary for farmers, not now who's going to pay them billions for us out of the EU, will be going around to EU country's with a flat cap.

Agree Buzz. This country needs to be more self-sufficient on food production. What I see happening though is that farms will start going bust and they’ll be bought up cheap by the likes of Jacob Rees Mogg and his disaster capitalists then who knows what will happen. Ideally, I’d like to see more locally produced food sold locally. Whether we can afford it, that will be the key.

 

[andyb]

Agree Buzz. This country needs to be more self-sufficient on food production. What I see happening though is that farms will start going bust and they’ll be bought up cheap by the likes of Jacob Rees Mogg and his disaster capitalists then who knows what will happen. Ideally, I’d like to see more locally produced food sold locally. Whether we can afford it, that will be the key.

We probably could be self sufficient with food. It'll have to be a pretty bland diet though and probably vegetarian.

 

[SparkyChick]

I believe a big problem with food in this country is the supply chain. Too long with too many people wanting their cut, but there is also the issue of supermarkets screwing over our view of what things really cost as things like fruit, veg and milk are often used as loss leaders as they are the things nearly everyone needs. This has distorted our view of what an acceptable price is for things somewhat.

Those two things make it hard for the producers to make money and it's unacceptable. It's always been unacceptable, but as with many other things (like the loss of the small local specialityshops - I'm thinking hardware, computers, haberdashery etc. etc.) smaller stores have been priced out of existence because they don't have the purchasing power to screw their suppliers into the ground.

We should tell them this with our money and we should all purchase from local suppliers.

As for our diet being bland and probably vegetarian... we have some great food and if it was more economically viable for producers I suspect there would be a lot more, but it's not for numerous reasons (some of which I've outlined above).

It's a common problem in this country. A lot of peoples views about what constitutes a reasonable price is seriously distorted, again partly due to the reasons I've outlined above, and as a consequence they aren't prepared to pay properly for things.

 

[plugsandsparks]

If you go to Ireland the supermarkets are full of "Irish Beef / Lamb / bread / loads of stuff" marked very clearly on the packaging so you know you are buying local stuff.

I have seen Sheep, cows, chickens, deer,in the fields around me, i used to pick potatoes as a kid and grow tomatoes in a greenhouse.

I think we will be fine eating our own stuff.

We can get our wine from anywhere in the world. I am allergic to shellfish, so for me its all good.

 

[FatAlan]

We probably could be self sufficient with food. It'll have to be a pretty bland diet though and probably vegetarian.

Of course we still need imported exotic fruit from around the world. Will be interesting to see if we can produce the salad stuff grown in Europe at the moment, cheaper here than continuing to import. Heating and lighting greenhouses will be expensive. Re meat, apparently we export a hell of a lot. I only see British and Irish Beef in our shops now anyway. Would I eat more of it if it was cheaper... not sure I would.

 

[FatAlan]

If you go to Ireland the supermarkets are full of "Irish Beef / Lamb / bread / loads of stuff" marked very clearly on the packaging so you know you are buying local stuff.

I have seen Sheep, cows, chickens, deer,in the fields around me, i used to pick potatoes as a kid and grow tomatoes in a greenhouse.

I think we will be fine eating our own stuff.

We can get our wine from anywhere in the world. I am allergic to shellfish, so for me its all good.

I steer clear of the shellfish/filter feeders (not referring to plumbers I might add) due to a fear of food poisoning, I do eat fish but not loads of it due to the expense. ?

 

[baldelectrician]

Are you saying the current state of the British economy is down to Bretix?

No it is down to several reasons, mainly Covit 19 and incompetence

 

[westward10]

I don't give a flying ****.

 

[baldelectrician]

I voted leave knowing fulll well Europe would make us pay for the big betrayal. They have to be ruthless with us so as to discourage other countries leaving.

a price I was willing to pay thus my vote.

giving billions to Europe and thanking them when they give us billions back after they have skimmed off the top.

that’s why i voted leave.

This is a myth- Europe are not making up pay, it's all out fault

The EU is like a club (such as a cricket club / bowling club etc). when we were in the EU the UK had the benefits of the club.
Now we have left we are no longer in a position to benefit from the EU single market.

It is ironic that the UK costs of leaving the EU are now more than the sum total of all the membership fees we have paid since the 1970's

 

[baldelectrician]

Nissan production halted, this will also be the fault of the EU
The UK had years to employ enough staff and implement a functional software system to make the border crossings less hassle but didn't
Oh and the French are currently being 'lenient' in implementing the rules but will become more strict soon.

Nissan forced to shut UK production line owing to supply delays

Temporary shutdown at Sunderland plant caused by disruption to supply chain during pandemic

www.theguardian.com

 

[mattg4321]

It is ironic that the UK costs of leaving the EU are now more than the sum total of all the membership fees we have paid since the 1970's

Source for that ‘fact’?

Or is it a prediction dreamt up some pro eu quango?

 

[Mike Johnson]

So lenient they confiscate ham sandwiches and milk products at the border, get real and don't just post what supports your agenda.

 

[Mike Johnson]

It is ironic that the UK costs of leaving the EU are now more than the sum total of all the membership fees we have paid since the 1970's

I know you are lying in bed with nothing better to do, but where do you get this carp from. ?

 

[baldelectrician]

Source for that ‘fact’?

Or is it a prediction dreamt up some pro eu quango?

Yep (the Forbes article is about a year old)

Brexit Costs Close To Matching Britain’s Total EU Contributions [Infographic]

Britain's Brexit bill is close to exceeding the cost of its collective contributions to all EU budgets since 1973.

www.forbes.com

 

[Mike Johnson]

All that says is that it has cost us £213 billion to be members of the EU.

 

[buzzlightyear]

All that says is that it has cost us £213 billion to be members of the EU.

Monie they should be giveing us for the bloody war that's cost us. And still paying for it.

 

[Mike Johnson]

And we have only just stopped paying the US for the same, or have we?

I wonder what would happen if we just stopped paying out to all the other countries that we supposedly have commitments too and kept the monies to support our own country, the US pays less into the global economy in foreign aid per person than any other country in the world.

 

[mattg4321]

This comparison between Brexit’s impact and the financial crisis is flawed - Full Fact

Government analysis estimated GDP and wages will be lower following Brexit than if the UK remained in the EU. It’s wrong to say the analysis says GDP and wages will fall, as Chuka Umunna claimed.

fullfact.org

As stated here, they’re all predictions. Not facts. It may be likely that would actually happen but it does irritate me when people try to pass opinion/predictions off as facts.

 

[FatAlan]

Nissan production halted, this will also be the fault of the EU
The UK had years to employ enough staff and implement a functional software system to make the border crossings less hassle but didn't
Oh and the French are currently being 'lenient' in implementing the rules but will become more strict soon.

Nissan forced to shut UK production line owing to supply delays

Temporary shutdown at Sunderland plant caused by disruption to supply chain during pandemic

www.theguardian.com

I think three things have coincided to destroy a lot of motor manufacture in the UK. Covid, Brexit and re-tooling for EV production. Those looking to continue to export to EU will weigh up extra costs and move. I believe the Japanese are going to be moving manufacturing back to Japan. Be interesting to know from anyone who has good contacts in the industry?
What about that keen brexteer billionaire that’s decided to base his new land rover plant in France instead of Wales?

 

[baldelectrician]

I agree that many are estimates but the UK is slowly becoming less relevant

The US has the UK as a 'bridge' between the US and the EU, this no longer happens and Ireland slots neatly in to that vacancy as the new US president is a Irish republican.

The full impact of the brexit will not come to peoples eyes for a month or two but the costs will mount- for example the Royal Mail now impose a £12 customs charge

Why haven’t I been charged for other goods I’ve received?​

Prior to the 1 January 2021 items from the EU were not subject to customs charges. The decision to raise VAT or customs duties or not is a matter for HM Revenue & Customs.

 

[Mike Johnson]

What I don't understand is how the HMRC can charge VAT on delivery costs?

 

[FatAlan]

HMRC will be charging masses for everything over the next few years. We have to pay for Covid and the extra Boris has gifted to his mates running track and trace and supplying over priced, useless PPE at the expense of legit manufacturers and suppliers in the UK.

 

[Deleted account]

I'd be interested to know how they're being ruthless Pete, from what I can see they're just implementing the rules and regs that we agreed to in the brexit deal.
Most of the problems are caused on this side of the border by our own border control.

They are just looking out for there interests. they wanted the best deal they could get, we wanted the best we could get.

In business sometimes you do need to be ruthless especially when both sides have so much to loose.

Europe has a lot to potentially loose, if other european countries choose to go the same way as us. So ruthlessness in business is fine its not a criticism.

we also had to be ruthless in our negotiations and got the best deal we where ever going to get.
yes it’s not ideal, but we did it.

 

[Deleted account]

I don't give a flying ****.

I put funny on this post, but wish there Was a hilarious imoji.

 

[Midwest]

I'm getting an allotment soon; how do I go about exporting my spuds to Ireland? I'm hoping to grow some strawberries in early summer, if anybody's interested. ?

People these days expect all sorts of fruit & veg, at all times of the year. We should go back to times past, when we ate only seasonal fruit & veg. And eating too much meat is bad for you, don't you know. We should eat more game meat; as a kid my mum made loads of meals using local rabbit. We could get the Scots to start breading & shooting more Haggis, that might help a bit!

 

[littlespark]

Do you know how hard it is to breed pedigree haggis?

That’s why there’s only a short hunting season (January) and we only have enough to feed the Scots.

 

[Midwest]

Do you know how hard it is to breed pedigree haggis?

That’s why there’s only a short hunting season (January) and we only have enough to feed the Scots.

Well there you go, a possible new business possibility.

 

[FatAlan]

Do you know how hard it is to breed pedigree haggis?

That’s why there’s only a short hunting season (January) and we only have enough to feed the Scots.

I prefer the haggis with the longer left legs, the ones that are adapted to running clockwise around the Scottish mountains. The meat is more tender ?

 

[Midwest]

We have an uncertain future with Brexit. I voted to remain, but that’s in the past. Let’s just get on with it and move on. This United Kingdom has been able to survive on its own in the past (not being part of another Union), I expect it will be able to do so in the future.

 

[littlespark]

I do believe everyone that voted to leave thought it was going to be a seamless transition. Nothing would change, we would just be out the EU.

Naive? Possibly.... Lack of information? Probably.