UK Can I put a single socket next to a radiator?

[jack-96]

Hi guys,

I am a DIY electrician and I need some electrical safety advice. Due to space constraints, I am looking to potentially put a single switched socket next to a wall mounted oil filled radiator.

My concern is the heat from the radiator melting the proposed socket creating melting plastic fumes. The socket would be located 11cm away from the radiator on a wall return. The proposed socket is shown in the image below:



Is it ok to do this, or would you advise against it?

Thank you!

 

[davesparks]

Make your mind up, are you a DIYer or an electrician, you can't be both.

Heat rises, so no any heat from tbe radiator will not affect the socket which is below the hight of the radiator.

 

[freddo]

Make your mind up, are you a DIYer or an electrician, you can't be both.

Quote below taken from the top of the electrical forum page!

General electrical information and advice for professional and DIY electricians alike.

 

[littlespark]

Biggest concern is how are you going to run the cables to that socket?

Need to stay in safe zones, and ensure rcd protection for the new socket.

Easiest place would be back to back from another socket on either side of a wall.

Is that an outside door on the right?

 

[Julie.]

Hi guys,

I am a DIY electrician and I need some electrical safety advice. Due to space constraints, I am looking to potentially put a single switched socket next to a wall mounted oil filled radiator.

My concern is the heat from the radiator melting the proposed socket creating melting plastic fumes. The socket would be located 11cm away from the radiator on a wall return. The proposed socket is shown in the image below:

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Is it ok to do this, or would you advise against it?

Thank you!

You do realise there is an fcu closer to the heater already.

If that one survives then one a little further away will.

However, the proposed location looks a little exposed, and difficult to get cables to, where are the cables coming from?

It's likely the fcu is on a dedicated heating circuit, perhaps on a timer so would be unsuitable for branching off.

Does the circuit you are taking this proposed socket outlet have rcd Protection?

If that's an external door then it's absolutely mandatory, and technically mandatory anyhow.

 

[Intoelectrics]

As all the above^^^^

When adding additional sockets many considerations need to be made: location, cable routes, circuit protection, shock protection, ratings, suitability of the existing circuit, condition of the existing circuit, accessibility, intended use, testing, certification...

Sometimes a job that seems simple at the outset, once investigated can end up quite complicated.

 

[brianmoooore]

No one's mentioned Part M yet.

 

[loz2754]

No one's mentioned Part M yet.

Why should they?. It only applies to new build or substantially altered properties.

 

[brianmoooore]

Need to stay in safe zones,

So many '150mm from a corner' zones in that pic, it would be difficult to be outside of one.

 

[brianmoooore]

Why should they?. It only applies to new build or substantially altered properties.

Well aware of that, but I'd still expect it to come up.
What we can see in the pic. looks like it's seen a lot of work since Part M came about, and for all we know, the sockets in the property may well be 450-1200mm

 

[loz2754]

Well aware of that, but I'd still expect it to come up.
What we can see in the pic. looks like it's seen a lot of work since Part M came about, and for all we know, the sockets in the property may well be 450-1200mm

Fair comment.

 

[davesparks]

Why should they?. It only applies to new build or substantially altered properties.

New build or material change of use, not substantial alterations.

 

[brianmoooore]

New build or material change of use, not substantial alterations.

Neither. It's "material alteration". (Part M, Section 0, 0.11)

 

[davesparks]

Neither. It's "material alteration". (Part M, Section 0, 0.11)

Yes, my mistake.

But also important to note that in the case of material alterations the new work only needs to be no less compliant with part M than it was prior to the wokr taking place.

 

[brianmoooore]

Yes, my mistake.

But also important to note that in the case of material alterations the new work only needs to be no less compliant with part M than it was prior to the wokr taking place.

Exactly so, and I would interpret that as if any of the existing sockets are 450-1200, then fitting a new one outside of that would reduce the proportion that comply, and so leave the property less compliant.

 

[loz2754]

New build or material change of use, not substantial alterations.

Thanks.

 

[loz2754]

Exactly so, and I would interpret that as if any of the existing sockets are 450-1200, then fitting a new one outside of that would reduce the proportion that comply, and so leave the property less compliant.

I hadn't looked at it that way around. Thanks.