Code for borrowed neutral...

[bilbo_88]

Carrying out an EICR and have discovered a lighting circuit has a borrowed neutral from ring main. No RCD as its old 3036 fuses but have a disagreement with my colleague who believes it should only be a C3 for improvement recommended. I was almost certain it be flagged as a C2. Anyone able to voice opinion (and who owes who a beer!)

 

[Guest55]

what a load of old donkey cak this is....
so you conduct an EICR.....and the next guy comes along and sees the previous report......capish...
....

is that it ?
a load of stroppy flannel ?
come back when your prepared to debate properly.

 

[somersetsparks]

what the bloody hell is a 2 for a start eh?....DANGEROUS UNDER FAULT CONDITIONS.......jesus wept...

Code 2 is POTENTIAL DANGER

A borrowed neutral could be potentially dangerous,

I'd go as far as saying its a textbook example of a code 2

 

[Guest55]

what the bloody hell is a 2 for a start eh?....DANGEROUS UNDER FAULT CONDITIONS.......jesus wept...

well if you want to shout about it ;

GO AND LOOK AT THE ESC DEFINITION OF CODE 2
" POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS"

IT SAYS NOTHING ABOUT ONLY UNDER FAULT CONDITIONS

get your facts straight next time glenn before gobbing off.

 

[ste77]

This is why all faults dont have pre determined codes, every situation and deviation from the regs are down to the inspectors discretion, but if i had to stand in a court of law and be asked how i came to my decision (not just on borrowed neutrals but other faults too) then i would want to err on the side of safety.

 

[mickytuff]

i give up........:banghead:

 

[GLENNSPARK]

well if you want to shout about it ;

GO AND LOOK AT THE ESC DEFINITION OF CODE 2
" POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS"

IT SAYS NOTHING ABOUT ONLY UNDER FAULT CONDITIONS

get your facts straight next time glenn before gobbing off.

i`ll be as GOBBY AS I LIKE.......
so swivel......... perhaps next time you could suss out what inductance is (the seperate neutrals to phases thing).....you know....eddy n all that....
lol......lol....

 

[DPG]

Yep, this forum gets worse unfortunately. Some people appear to have anger-management issues. Hope they control them in front of customers. Daz

 

[gazzaabc]

Lol just read the EICR certificate. C2 states potentially dangerous and urgent remedial action is required. So a borrowed neutral results in the installation been unsatisfactory? C2 is a fail on the whole installation........

 

[Silly Sausage]

Lol just read the EICR certificate. C2 states potentially dangerous and urgent remedial action is required. So a borrowed neutral results in the installation been unsatisfactory? C2 is a fail on the whole installation........

Damn and blast!
Can I have a C2.5?

 

[markc123]

Glad i got out when i did to be fair, just enjoying watching the arguement from a distance now....carry on lads, ive got my brew im more than happy to spectate

 

[markc123]

Damn and blast!
Can I have a C2.5?

Haha, How about you get it in writing and recommend it ready for AM.2.

 

[Guest55]

i`ll be as GOBBY AS I LIKE.......
so swivel......... perhaps next time you could suss out what inductance is (the seperate neutrals to phases thing).....you know....eddy n all that....
lol......lol....

so you got shown to be incorrect , spat your dummy out and start waffling about "inductance" ???
grow up ********.

 

[somersetsparks]

Lol just read the EICR certificate. C2 states potentially dangerous and urgent remedial action is required. So a borrowed neutral results in the installation been unsatisfactory? C2 is a fail on the whole installation........

And it would fail for one hole in a an enclosure, the new systems fairly harsh!

 

[GLENNSPARK]

so you got shown to be incorrect , spat your dummy out and start waffling about "inductance" ???
grow up ********.

short memory biff....
god help you on an install......`dohh....i forgot whats the ring....and whats not here`...doh.....should i bell it?...doh....

 

[Silly Sausage]

Glad i got out when i did to be fair, just enjoying watching the arguement from a distance now....carry on lads, ive got my brew im more than happy to spectate

Haha...Friday night's early this week!

 

[Guest55]

short memory biff....
god help you on an install......`dohh....i forgot whats the ring....and whats not here`...doh.....should i bell it?...doh....

more tedious ramblings
carry on , my popcorn is ready ;-)

 

[gazzaabc]

so you got shown to be incorrect , spat your dummy out and start waffling about "inductance" ???
grow up ********.

Loooool!!

 

[GLENNSPARK]

more tedious ramblings
carry on , my popcorn is ready ;-)

air fillin air.....
just the rite nibble for you...
feedin time....

 

[Guest55]

no hard feelings eh glenn lol ?
standard internet shouting match , was good practice for me ;-)

 

[brman]

Wow, didn't expect this to run to 4 pages..........

Having carefully read Glenn's erudite arguments I am going to stick with what the ESC and ELECSA say - C2 :lol:

 

[markc123]

.....haha lets not stir things now, it'll be lastnights round 2 if we're not careful...

but, brman....i agree. haha just saying.

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