Confusing part P!!!

[Mtilston]

Having looked at the recent changes in notifiable works (part p) it seems almost everything except CU changes new installs and works in bathroom can be done without the need to notify anybody.
Does this mean that I could test the any 'none notifiable' myself afterwards and not have to get in a part p kitchen fitter in to test my work afterwards.
thanks

 

[Octopus]

Having looked at the recent changes in notifiable works (part p) it seems almost everything except CU changes new installs and works in bathroom can be done without the need to notify anybody.
Does this mean that I could test the any 'none notifiable' myself afterwards and not have to get in a part p kitchen fitter in to test my work afterwards.
thanks

You shouldn't be getting a 3rd party to test Part P stuff, now or before.

 

[Jay Sparks]

Especially if he's a kitchen fitter......

 

[KFH]

Unless you do work in Wales where they have not changed anything. Anybody think it is all a waste of time?

 

[Amp David]

Kev the kitchen fitter

OP is a nugget!

 

[telectrix]

kitchen fitter???? that's like getting fred west to babysit your kids.

 

[stranded]

Part p is confusing enough without getting a kitchen fitter envolved

 

[Octopus]

Part p is confusing enough without getting a kitchen fitter envolved

god help us, what are they going to evolve into. lol

 

[Guitarist]

So, are you telling us that you are trained and competent to do electrical work, along with having the correct test gear and knowledge of how to use it? Are you also able to fill in all and any paperwork needed?

 

[Mtilston]

Yes I am a qualified electrician with all the correct test gear just not part p qualified because I don't do enough domestic work for it to be worth paying the fee.

 

[Mtilston]

The recent changes to Part P state that you can get a registered 3rd party to certify all notifiable works it just doesn't mention non-notifiable.

 

[funkymonkeytwo]

The 3rd party sign off hasn't come into play yet and if / when it does there will be a fee to become on the 3rd party register with a scheme provider.
And most people won't want to sign off anyone else's work as they then become responsible for the installation. I for one wouldn't and I'd say 99.9% of members on here wouldn't either. Oh and I certainly wouldn't let kev the kitchen fitter sign off my work ;-)

 

[Plonker 3]

Let me get the right, you would rather have a kitchen fitter test your work than yourself?

 

[Silly Sausage]

part p kitchen fitter

Isn't that a contradiction in terms? :smilielol5:

 

[kingeri]

god help us, what are they going to evolve into. lol

Best they could hope for would be plumbers, maybe in a few hundreds of thousands of years. It's a bit like humans and monkeys, we are the superior species and yet we have common heritage. Sparkies and kitchen fitters/plumbers have been co-existing for many years.

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My wife is a Part P chef.

 

[Octopus]

The recent changes to Part P state that you can get a registered 3rd party to certify all notifiable works it just doesn't mention non-notifiable.

So matey, please explain how that works as the powers that be haven't come up with a "plan".

Any way what did you you do prior to the changes?

 

[Guitarist]

Yes I am a qualified electrician with all the correct test gear just not part p qualified because I don't do enough domestic work for it to be worth paying the fee.

So you are a fully qualified electrician with all the test gear, but you have been getting a Part P registered kitchen fitter to sign off your work ?
Technically, your kitchen fitter has been breaking the Law.

 

[Richard Burns]

Having looked at the recent changes in notifiable works (part p) it seems almost everything except CU changes new installs and works in bathroom can be done without the need to notify anybody.
Does this mean that I could test the any 'none notifiable' myself afterwards and not have to get in a part p kitchen fitter in to test my work afterwards.
thanks

Any non notifiable work does not need notifying to Building control, however it still needs to comply with BS7671 and be appropriately inspected, tested and the correct installation certificate completing. This work can be done by a competent electrician. If different people are doing the design construction, inspection and testing then the individual people need to sign the correct part of the form.

For notifiable works [new cu, new circuit, work on circuits in the zones of a room containing a bath or shower, work on circuits in rooms containing a swimming pool or sauna heater] the work can be notified through building control directly (at a cost), the work can be notified by the installer through their own self certification scheme body, there is now legal provision for a registered 3rd party certifier (of which none currently exist) to perform an EICR on installed work and notify building control through their 3rd party scheme body.
The work would also need to be fully inspected tested and certified in accordance with BS7671.

Any other course of action would be breaching the wiring regulations and for notifiable work would be an offence under the building regulations.

 

[Olec]

Unless you do work in Wales where they have not changed anything. Anybody think it is all a waste of time?

Do most my work in Cardiff but if I decide to go over the bridge it all changes, definitely not simpler from I standing

 

[7029 dave]

omg has this what this trade has come too, un qualified kitchen fitters handyman call em what you like certin jobs off, glad im out of it!!!. Don't 5 years time served c&g count for anything anymore!!!?.

 

[Amp David]

Not really in the world of domestic

 

[7029 dave]

Amp david is that right, if I ever was to do any job rewire etc and someone said to me what right would I have to cert jobs off my repley would be 33yrs experience do one!!!

 

[Amp David]

Do one what?

 

[cotty]

Amp david is that right, if I ever was to do any job rewire etc and someone said to me what right would I have to cert jobs off my repley would be 33yrs experience do one!!!

"Don't 5 years time served c&g count for anything anymore!!!?. "

????

 

[7029 dave]

in other words get stuffed!!

 

[Amp David]

in other words get stuffed!!

Are you for effing real mate. you only have to read this forum to see that most posts made are done in jest, Jesus bet you're a right laugh to work with.

And what you banging on about certing jobs off? Yet another one confusing certing with notifying, bless him!

 

[cotty]

in other words get stuffed!!

Pm me for your rattle back!

 

[7029 dave]

:blush5:

 

[stigwart]

As long as your competent, installation complies to BS7671and a member of a scheme, no notification required, Simple...

 

[Amp David]

Schemes and notifications go hand in hand mate, thats the whole part of em

 

[stigwart]

Competent and job certified, no need to directly notify to building control is my understanding??

 

[Richard Burns]

Competent and job certified, no need to directly notify to building control is my understanding??

If you are doing a notifiable job then you do need to be part of a self certification scheme for this to work.

 

[Guest55]

not still going on about this crap are we ?

part p is about as complicated as a single coloured , 1 sided rubiks cube.

just ignore it like all the other 60,000,000 million uk citizens and it will go away eventually.

;-)

 

[Amp David]

If you are doing a notifiable job then you do need to be part of a self certification scheme for this to work.

No you don't, you can always inform the LABC boys beforehand

 

[telectrix]

who then raise a building notice ( why, as no building work is being done) and rip you off to the tune of £300, so that £150 job becomes unviable.

 

[Amp David]

And thats life as we know it

 

[Richard Burns]

No you don't, you can always inform the LABC boys beforehand

I am replying to the quoted post saying you do not need to directly inform building control!

 

[Guitarist]

who then raise a building notice ( why, as no building work is being done) and rip you off to the tune of £300, so that £150 job becomes unviable.

You're missing the point tel.....The £300 is to pay for a part P registered kitchen fitter, sub-contracted to the Council, to come and test the installation for you

 

[stidge]

Or John venables to take your kid out for a walk !!!

 

[stranded]

Part p is confusing enough without getting a kitchen fitter envolved

god help us, what are they going to evolve into. lol

Lol, a part p kitchen fitter perhaps?