Electrical safety in the kitchen.

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Andi TN

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Hi all, just saying hello and hoping someone can give me some advice on safety in a kitchen area around a sink unit.
I have had a kitchen installed by a company and they have disconnected a couple of old sockets near to my sink unit. I have looked behind my tumble dryer and found the attached pictures of wiring left on the floor next to and under the sink unit. Are these safe to be left like this in a potentially wet area? They do seem to have caps on, but not sure if they are waterproof. Any help would be appreciated.

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totally unacceptable if those cables are "live". is Sot Stoke? if so , I,m down there later.
 
Classic sign of a wannabe spark - does half the job, thinking its OK.

Dare I ask if they gave you any certificates for the electrical changes?
 
Murdoch said:
Classic sign of a wannabe spark - does half the job, thinking its OK.

Dare I ask if they gave you any certificates for the electrical changes?
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You can dare ask but it looks like Kevin the kitchen fitters part P course was a waste of time.
 
I found the second picture behind the tumble dryer, when I had to clean up some water that my grandson had spilled on the floor by the dryer on boxing Day. I then remembered that there used to be another socket for my old dishwasher in the previous kitchen, so today I removed the kick board under the sink and found the other wire lying there. That's when I posted the question, as it looks dangerous to me.
 
Wagos alone do not make a perfect job...but I am in no doubt that it is seen as totally professional by a kitchen fitter, who probably tells his mates "See, bludi electricians charge a fortune for that stuff, the cowboys!" in a smug manner...
Other clues: 1. Didn't bother to plaster, 2. Didn't bother to clean the sawdust away, 3. Couldn't even be bothered to wrap the wires completely in pic 2...
And I know for a fact that if you look closely at the rest of the installation there will be no plastic wedges used for levelling, just a folded smoke-packet...GRRR! Don't get me started on kitchen fitters!
 
Andi TN said:
Hi all, just saying hello and hoping someone can give me some advice on safety in a kitchen area around a sink unit.
I have had a kitchen installed by a company and they have disconnected a couple of old sockets near to my sink unit. I have looked behind my tumble dryer and found the attached pictures of wiring left on the floor next to and under the sink unit. Are these safe to be left like this in a potentially wet area? They do seem to have caps on, but not sure if they are waterproof. Any help would be appreciated.

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Kev's been up to his old tricks again
 
Just send the pics to the company and ask if this is their normal standard of work and do they think it's acceptable.
Also tell them that you are thinking of sending the pics to Trading Standards and asking them of their opinion.
As a PS to the email you can also tell them that you are thinking of posting the pics on every electrical forum, again with the company name who did the job, and see what they think about it.
I'm sure they will not like all the negative publicity and come and do a proper job.
 
This is one instance of their skills, how many other properties have they attacked. The cpc connection in the first picture is appalling aside from the fact nothing is enclosed, I would definitely be looking towards Trading Standards.
 
here in the U.S. a cable unhooked like that (even capped) needs to be in a junction box or enclosure and the cable securely fastened to the wall and I'm sure you chaps have similar requirements.
too many people don't understand why electric work should be left to licensed professionals.
a licensed spark will test and document the changes to a circuit.
 
gnuuser said:
here in the U.S. a cable unhooked like that (even capped) needs to be in a junction box or enclosure and the cable securely fastened to the wall and I'm sure you chaps have similar requirements.
too many people don't understand why electric work should be left to licensed professionals.
a licensed spark will test and document the changes to a circuit.
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With respect gnuuser, I thought the US was was to stick the hot and N in a Screw-it, to cause the breaker to trip if someone accidentally energised the circuit, please correct me if I have my wires crossed no pun intended.
 
Pete999 said:
With respect gnuuser, I thought the US was was to stick the hot and N in a Screw-it, to cause the breaker to trip if someone accidentally energised the circuit, please correct me if I have my wires crossed no pun intended.
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good one! we see a lot of crap done by homeowners that make you want to choke the crap out of them.
I don't mind if they want to do the work as long as they get proper training.(and that includes a minimum of 4 years apprenticeship)
even a college grad with an associates degree or bachelors degree in electrical engineering had to do the minimum apprenticeship for journeyman in my old shop.
 
Murdoch said:
Classic sign of a wannabe spark - does half the job, thinking its OK.

Dare I ask if they gave you any certificates for the electrical changes?
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do kitchen companies even employ sparks? ive only ever seen joiners call us out once they disconnect and can get nothing to work again, (usually loop in lighting)

same with builders, they will generally have a go themselves before allowing their ego to be destroyed
 
having just sorted a call out the other day to a poorly fitted socket under a sink where there are a plethora of pipes joined right above said socket

are those twist on connectors? so shady lol
 
if i was you id take pictures of any other offending work done by kitchen company, in the meantime get someone out to sort that mess under the units before it causes a mischief


then charge all work to make good to the kitchen company via small claims
 
Murdoch said:
If the customer gets a 3rd party to put this right , the numptie that did this won't learn.............
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would you want said numptie fixing his ---- up if he did not realise he had even ----ed up?

i dont touch gas pipes because i know my limitations, wish joiners and builders would do the same regarding sticking to what they know

one of my other callouts is to a new build, there is so much movement in the buildings foundations that the windows are smashing, the plasterboard in the top flat has moved an inch away from the ceiling

i get annoyed that people are being paid to do something well, but they half arse it and run with the cash

cutting corners is a sign of poor work ethic
 
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if i was you id take pictures of any other offending work done by kitchen company, in the meantime get someone out to sort that mess under the units before it causes a mischief


then charge all work to make good to the kitchen company via small claims
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I don't think you can do that, you have to give them a chance to put it right first.
 
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... you have to give them a chance to put it right first.
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OP: Just tell that whoever they send round you want to see their electrical qualifications first... and you want a cert at the end of the work as proof it's all ok.
 
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I don't think you can do that, you have to give them a chance to put it right first.
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the standard of work done would make me not let them in my home incase they made it even worse

im sure the court would be understanding? kitchens aint cheap, id expect it right first time minus a few minor snags, but this is basic stuff, unclipped cables "connected" via twist on connectors, didnt even realise these were an option in britain

only heard of their use in less educated countries.
 
I wouldn't be too keen on letting them back in to fix their mess either, but you can't just bring someone else in and then bill the kitchen company for it.
 
Also don't think twist on connectors have been used, both pictures look like Wago's, the 2nd one is just a real bad mess of someone trying (and failing) at taping up the cable
 
looking at OP's 1st pic. the muppets have actually twisted 2 cpc's and bodged them into 1 hole of the wago.

call the kitchen company and demand a visit from manager. show him the problems, backed up if needed by forum posts. then demand to have it put right, but not by the original contractors. insist he sends a qualified electrician.
 
Thanks for all the replies.
I sent a strongly worded email to the Installation company on Monday, and today had a qualified electrician come out to fix all the issues. After he had stopped swearing about how it had been left on the floor under a sink unit, he then proceeded to put the connections into boxes and removed any cables that were surplus to requirements.
I feel a lot safer now.
 

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