House electrics in need of condemning

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ste_miller21

Ive been asked to look at the electrics in a house, I haven’t tested yet only had a quick look. Just off a visual inspection I came across:
  1. No RCD
  2. No bonding on gas/ water
  3. No equipotent bonding
  4. No CPC throughout all circuits
  5. Arcing when mains is tuned off then repowered
  6. Plumber had a belt off light switch
  7. Old size cartridge fuse board
  8. Burning on back plate of fittings.
Its clear that the electrics need to be condemned but at the moment I’m NOT part P registered I’m currently waiting for an Elecsa assessment. My main question is do you have to be registered to condemn?
 
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answer is a big NO. you can do a PIR without being elecsa (or any other scheme) member. your best bet is to issue a danger notice.( be aware though that the lack of RCD is only a code 4.)
 
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Mark_Burgess said:
What a surprise TELECTRIX is first AGAIN!!
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luck of the draw, mate. just depends on who is reading which thread. anyway, yous all going to have a break from me from 20th as we are off to turkey for a week. ( i can hear the cheers from here)
 
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IR the lot mate and check polarity. You could do a Ze and a Zs n all. If its an old BS3036 then the fuse carriers may only be able to stand 2kA so get a PFC n all. The bonding definitely needs sortin as its being occupied at the moment. It may just be portions of this install thats crap...you may find evidence of diy work...I dont think its a must to have an RCD board on a rented but it would be a recommendation in my eyes........
 
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ste_miller21 said:
yes its currently lived in the land lord has told the tenant that the house was rewired 7Years ago!
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Thats a load of ---- from him n all because if it had been rewired 7 years ago the board would/should have been upgraded at the same time......bloody liers...dont you just hate em.........
 
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telectrix said:
luck of the draw, mate. just depends on who is reading which thread. anyway, yous all going to have a break from me from 20th as we are off to turkey for a week. ( i can hear the cheers from here)
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What tablets are you going to be taking to cope with the withdraw symptoms?...lol :smile5:
 
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ste_miller21 said:
Ive been asked to look at the electrics in a house, I haven’t tested yet only had a quick look. Just off a visual inspection I came across:
  1. No RCD
  2. No bonding on gas/ water
  3. No equipotent bonding
  4. No CPC throughout all circuits
  5. Arcing when mains is tuned off then repowered
  6. Plumber had a belt off light switch
  7. Old size cartridge fuse board
  8. Burning on back plate of fittings.
Its clear that the electrics need to be condemned but at the moment I’m NOT part P registered I’m currently waiting for an Elecsa assessment. My main question is do you have to be registered to condemn?
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so the usual on a existing house well all the ones i seen lol
 
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The o/p would be better testing before condemning outright first wouldn`t he......we`v been on a job today.......took one look under the floor upstairs....full of chuffin joint boxes like toadstools all over the place....so we thought.."sod this" wee`l pull a new ring in but wee`l have a job on on tuesday getting both legs back to the board hence my thinking if any of this install can be saved but brought upto standard.......
 
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GLENNSPARK said:
I remember my grandad was always on "capstan full strength" and "senior service"....used to stink the house out with them he did............
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They still sell Senior Service and Gold Leaf in Cyprus, not sure about the UK!! The Gold Leaf come in packs of 25 ciggy's in Cyprus...

Was just thinking of all the old names of ciggy's Piccadilly, Peter Stuyvesant, Embassy, Camel, to name but a few!! Then there were the real old ones as others have stated, Capstan full strength and they were strong too, Woodbine's which was also my grandfathers choice.... lol!!
 
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Engineer54 said:
They still sell Senior Service and Gold Leaf in Cyprus, not sure about the UK!! The Gold Leaf come in packs of 25 ciggy's in Cyprus...

Was just thinking of all the old names of ciggy's Piccadilly, Peter Stuyvesant, Embassy, Camel, to name but a few!! Then there were the real old ones as others have stated, Capstan full strength and they were strong too, Woodbine's which was also my grandfathers choice.... lol!!
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Well....he was in the royal navy during ww2....served on HMS resolution....an old ww1 dreadnought....so perhaps things like "senior service" and "capstan full strength" were a requirement/the norm in the RN.....But every time we used to visit we had to bring a bottle of that scrumpy jack cider you could get and woe betide us if we forgot......partial to a glass of cider and a "senior service" my grandad was...lol.........
 
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Hiya
Got a similar sort of situation here, whereas Its a PME system and only the gas is bonded with a bit of 2.5 wrapped around the pipe.Obviously not suitable
So in my book that's a code 1 for that and a code 1 for no water bond.
Also no RCD at all for sockets.
Although its a code 4 there seems in amongst a few of us as to whether its a fail. What constitutes a fail.
Yes code 1s but on its own does no RCD carry enough weight for a fail.
Any feed back on it so we can put it to sleep.
:)
 
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Well to be honest I would not go as far as a code 1 for non bonding, I would be more inclined to go a 2 for that.

The NICEIC and the ESC who are virtually one and the same recommend that any code 1 and 2s are a unsatisfactory and should be deemed a fail, but in reality you as the inspector has to make the ultimate decision of satisfactory/unsatisfactory. I tend to veer towards the NICEIC assessment of it to be honest as it is pretty clear then as a guide.

As for the socket outlets yes you can code them a 4, I have always done a risk assessment and if it is a down floor ring/radial and there is a chance that a socket could be used for mobile equipment outdoors, then I most likely code it a 2.
 
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Thanks for that reply Malcom , I code 1 the bonding because of the size of the conductor (2.5) and the way it was attached. also No water bond present. to me is code 1.
sockets, there are several that could and are used for lawn mowers etc into the garden and indeed to the shed a, about 10 metres across concrete, where there are several wood cutting machines.
Thanks again for the reply .
 
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