Labour Leadership

[sean_ork]

The old new labour is dead (finally) - long live the new new labour.

For what it's worth, I think JC is a complete breath of fresh air to this Country's politics, he doesn't have the media savy smoothness of what most people assume of "politicians" - but that's all part of our problem, we've forgotten what a good politician is.

Its not what you look like, its not how articulate you are at fending off questions, its not what you say you'll do - its what you actually do that's the real measure of a politicians worth.

 

[andyb]

I am not Jeremy fan Tel, I am one of the 49.8% of the Labour party members who voted against him, I am seriously concidering voting for an independant candidate in the next general election should Jeremy still be at the helm in our party.

You mean 40.5% who did not have him as 1st preference.
He polled 59.5%

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Perhaps that 40.5% should join a party more in touch with their ideals and aspirations?

 

[andyb]

Perhaps that 40.5% should join a party more in touch with their ideals and aspirations?

That depends on what their 'ideals and aspirations' are Spin.

I'd like to think they are the same as the party as a whole.

 

[Midwest]

I disagree, even without the russians we would have won through in the end, the Nukes dropped on Japan would have been dropped on Germany first.

My memory of the WWII is a little bit hazy at this point. Think the ----'s Blitzkrieg'd thru Europe and stopped at the Channel and for some reason then decided to turn around to the Russians. Albeit the Battle of Britain caused them to pause, OP Sea lion was abandoned, Hitler's main campaign was Barbarossa. Britain stood firm during those difficult months but to say 'we would've won the war' downplays the significance of the east theatre.

 

[Guest77]

Perhaps that 40.5% should join a party more in touch with their ideals and aspirations?

We don't need too, I feel we lost touch during the post milliband era and went silly, some lunatics went for Jeremy, a lot of others jumped on the band wagon due to the bad press New labour got and we are where we are, we will bounce back, It will only take one strong new candidate and the party will soon get back where it belongs, in the Blair type policies which won us 3 elections.

 

[Guest77]

The old new labour is dead (finally) - long live the new new labour.

For what it's worth, I think JC is a complete breath of fresh air to this Country's politics, he doesn't have the media savy smoothness of what most people assume of "politicians" - but that's all part of our problem, we've forgotten what a good politician is.

Its not what you look like, its not how articulate you are at fending off questions, its not what you say you'll do - its what you actually do that's the real measure of a politicians worth.

I couldn't be farther from you politically even though we support the same party, Going far left will finish us, we need to get in touch with modern britain, Jeremy is a buffoon.

 

[andyb]

I couldn't be farther from you politically even though we support the same party, Going far left will finish us, we need to get in touch with modern britain, Jeremy is a buffoon.

We don't need too, I feel we lost touch during the post milliband era and went silly, some lunatics went for Jeremy, a lot of others jumped on the band wagon due to the bad press New labour got and we are where we are, we will bounce back, It will only take one strong new candidate and the party will soon get back where it belongs, in the Blair type policies which won us 3 elections.

Bad day MDJ?
In 2 sentences you've called me a lunatic (plus about 1/4 million others) and called the leader of the opposition a buffoon.
With debating skills like that maybe you should be standing yourself.:cheesy:

 

[GMES]

Bring back the king I say

 

[Guest77]

Bad day MDJ?
In 2 sentences you've called me a lunatic (plus about 1/4 million others) and called the leader of the opposition a buffoon.
With debating skills like that maybe you should be standing yourself.:cheesy:

I would never call you a lunatic Andy, a "Ahole" maybe :lips:

 

[andyb]

I would never call you a lunatic Andy, a "Ahole" maybe :lips:

Ok, so you've got me there. As long as you don't think me a lunatic.

 

[Guest77]

Ok, so you've got me there. As long as you don't think me a lunatic.

Haha You know I am your mate :17:

 

[Octopus]

We don't need too, I feel we lost touch during the post milliband era and went silly, some lunatics went for Jeremy, a lot of others jumped on the band wagon due to the bad press New labour got and we are where we are, we will bounce back, It will only take one strong new candidate and the party will soon get back where it belongs, in the Blair type policies which won us 3 elections.

When you say Blair type policies, you mean Tory ones !

 

[Guest77]

When you say Blair type policies, you mean Tory ones !

Too many beers on board tonight to go up against you on this Clive lol

 

[andyb]

Too many beers on board tonight to go up against you on this Clive lol

I'm off down the pub now to get up to speed on this.

 

[Barry White]

I would vote for a cockroach before this idiot !
Jeremy Corbyn intervenes to secure bail for fraudster accused of conning elderly in scam to raise funds for jihadists in Syria.
The Labour leader wrote a letter to magistrates in May in a bid to help Mohamed Dahir, 23 secure bail.
During that hearing, the court heard that Dahir’s gang were using the money as a “bank of terror” to “fund and facilitate the travel” of UK citizens to Syria and Iraq to fight with Isil.
Dahir has now been convicted of posing as a police officer to steal more than £600,000 from vulnerable elderly people.
The allegations that the money was used to fund terrorism were not heard by the jury and therefore did not form part of the conviction. No terrorism charges were brought.
Scotland Yard’s counter-terror unit last night confirmed that they believed the money was being sent to Syria.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...Christmas.html

 

[derek]

MP's act on behalf of their constituents, it is not unusual to write letters to help them out.

A quote from Business Insider

Jeremy Corbyn helped secure bail for one of his constituents after the man was accused of stealing money to raise funds for Islamic State fighters in Syria.
The Labour Party leader and MP for Islington North wrote a letter to magistrates in May in an attempt to aide 23-year-old Mohamed Dahir.
It is believed that Corbyn’s office was unaware of the alleged links to the funding of Islamic State. MPs routinely write supportive letters for constituents seeking help, if they know the family.
Corbyn wrote to the court to say Dahir warranted bail as he had “roots” in the Islington area and was unlikely to abscond.
Jeremy Corbyn wrote a letter to get bail for a man accused of helping to fund ISIS | Business Insider

 

[Midwest]

MP's act on behalf of their constituents, it is not unusual to write letters to help them out.

A quote from Business Insider

Jeremy Corbyn helped secure bail for one of his constituents after the man was accused of stealing money to raise funds for Islamic State fighters in Syria.

Of course they do and should do. However, they should look at what they have been accused of, and consider their level of assistance. Would he consider of writing a letter of support for a person accused of stealing money from elderly people? I understand you can only act upon the facts presented to you, but he is not obliged to support everyone, IMO. It's a judgemental thing. The letter of support, was to secure bail, not to support the accused. But, with hindsight, it doesn't look good now.

 

[Octopus]

I do wonder how long JC will remain in post - there must be hoards of Labour faithful s (MDJ included) who will be sticking the knives in soon!

 

[Guest77]

I do wonder how long JC will remain in post - there must be hoards of Labour faithful s (MDJ included) who will be sticking the knives in soon!

Yes Definately fella, I have already started as have others in the party,He needs to go, I like Chucka and also have heard Alan johnson would be happy to get back into front bench politics, not the leader but shadow cabinet, if so then he will only do so with a Chucka type candidate becomming leader, the new man needs to be central/right of the party if we will ever win a general election again because Britain is no longer far left like they were in the early 1970s, times have changed, our party needs to adapt to be serious opponents to the Conservative party or we as a party will die, we are on that road now with the British public.

Now before anyone says different, we are knocking on doors all over the country asking members of the public thier views, so far the feed back is the following from them

(1) we need to secure our borders
(2) we need to protect the monachy
(3) we need to keep our nuclear deterrent
(4) we need to remove ISIS
(5) we need to remove the bedroom tax
(6) we need to stop acting like kids in parliament
(7) we need to improve policing
(8) we need to catch benefit cheats and make them repay the fraud
(10) we need to sort out the mess in europe

Now you will understand the labour situation, our party at the moment is out of touch on nearly everyone of these issues, should there be a general election tommorrow David cameron would win with a huge huge majority, this is our findings to-date, some of us want change, and Jeremy out, we will continue the fight against him and my hope is he is gone by the spring of 2017 so we still have 3 years to convince the public we can govern, at the moment we are just a total joke.

 

[derek]

The predominantly 'right wing' media (for want of a more accurate and concise definition) and news organisations like AP and Reuters are going all out to destroy not just Corbyn but anybody who believes in a fairer society which includes enviromentalists, human rights organisations, trade unions and their representatives and anyone in Labour who is not pro Blairite/tory policies.
If you believe that the BBC is impartial or even left wing then I would disagree, based purely on the fact that I see the BBC news as a load of dumbed down rubbish most of the time and a couple of friends I have who work in the BBC say that although many in the BBC, politically would be seen as leaning towards the left wing, they have to contend with managers and editors who are predominantly Tory supporters.

 

[Octopus]

Yes Definately fella, I have already started as have others in the party,He needs to go, I like Chucka and also have heard Alan johnson would be happy to get back into front bench politics, not the leader but shadow cabinet, if so then he will only do so with a Chucka type candidate becomming leader, the new man needs to be central/right of the party if we will ever win a general election again because Britain is no longer far left like they were in the early 1970s, times have changed, our party needs to adapt to be serious opponents to the Conservative party or we as a party will die, we are on that road now with the British public.

Now before anyone says different, we are knocking on doors all over the country asking members of the public thier views, so far the feed back is the following from them

(1) we need to secure our borders
(2) we need to protect the monachy
(3) we need to keep our nuclear deterrent
(4) we need to remove ISIS
(5) we need to remove the bedroom tax
(6) we need to stop acting like kids in parliament
(7) we need to improve policing
(8) we need to catch benefit cheats and make them repay the fraud
(10) we need to sort out the mess in europe

Now you will understand the labour situation, our party at the moment is out of touch on nearly everyone of these issues, should there be a general election tommorrow David cameron would win with a huge huge majority, this is our findings to-date, some of us want change, and Jeremy out, we will continue the fight against him and my hope is he is gone by the spring of 2017 so we still have 3 years to convince the public we can govern, at the moment we are just a total joke.

Interesting that lack of housing or housing costs are not in the top 10. This is the biggest threat to the UK at the moment if you ask me

 

[Englishman]

Blair type policies which won us 3 elections.

Right of centre then...

 

[sean_ork]

Now before anyone says different, we are knocking on doors all over the country asking members of the public thier views, so far the feed back is the following from them

(1) we need to secure our borders
(2) we need to protect the monachy
(3) we need to keep our nuclear deterrent
(4) we need to remove ISIS
(5) we need to remove the bedroom tax
(6) we need to stop acting like kids in parliament
(7) we need to improve policing
(8) we need to catch benefit cheats and make them repay the fraud
(10) we need to sort out the mess in europe

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Following its supporters opinions by moving further towards a proper left wing isnt going to distroy the Labour Party, its faux Tory's like you that will do it the most damage.

As has already been pointed out, your list fails to even hint on the single biggest issue facing the working men of women in this County, and that's affordable housing, be it social, private sector rental or an affordable home of their own.

That list isnt the product of door knocking, its a complete nonsense.

"protect the monarch" - really ?

This has got to be a wind up by a true blue Tory or a kipper to scared to admit their real allegence.

 

[Guest77]

HEHE, A sunday morning fishing trip, and sean was easy bait chuckle.

 

[Guest77]

Interesting that lack of housing or housing costs are not in the top 10. This is the biggest threat to the UK at the moment if you ask me

not in the top 10 mate, perhaps the news at the moment and over the last 3-4 months has turned people into worrying about safety rather than the usual, no idea, no doubt as we get closer to 2020 things will change.

 

[Guest77]

Following its supporters opinions by moving further towards a proper left wing isnt going to distroy the Labour Party, its faux Tory's like you that will do it the most damage.

As has already been pointed out, your list fails to even hint on the single biggest issue facing the working men of women in this County, and that's affordable housing, be it social, private sector rental or an affordable home of their own.

That list isnt the product of door knocking, its a complete nonsense.

"protect the monarch" - really ?

This has got to be a wind up by a true blue Tory or a kipper to scared to admit their real allegence.

It isn't my list you barribon buffoon, it is the general census by talking to the public.

 

[sean_ork]

It'll take more than a mouldy kippers manifesto to bait me

 

[Guest77]

It'll take more than a mouldy kippers manifesto to bait me

lol, I doubt it, your seething already, your the easiest member on here when it comes to winding up, now go and put your jammas back on and get out of bed the right side when mummy calls you down for breakfast.

 

[Octopus]

It isn't my list you barribon buffoon, it is the general census by talking to the public.

Hum...... as this years GE showed the polesters got it wrong and I think your list is way off the mark IMHO

 

[Guest77]

Hum...... as this years GE showed the polesters got it wrong and I think your list is way off the mark IMHO

yeah probably, it changes regularly as well, in 6 months time it will be different I am sure.

 

[sean_ork]

It isn't my list you barribon buffoon, it is the general census by talking to the public.

So you'll be able to point us all to something that's been published to back up this list of yours ?

Show us its not a complete work of fiction please.

 

[Guest77]

could do, but to annoy you I am not going to.

 

[sean_ork]

lol, I doubt it, your seething already, your the easiest member on here when it comes to winding up, now go and put your jammas back on and get out of bed the right side when mummy calls you down for breakfast.

Well at least we can see you aren't here for even a semi serious debate, but your list has made that point already

Didums

 

[sean_ork]

could do, but to annoy you I am not going to.

It won't annoy me at all, it just shows how pathetic your "input" here has been - youve just fallen into your own hole.

Ooops

 

[Guest77]

Well at least we can see you aren't here for even a semi serious debate, but your list has made that point already

Didums

:lips: ,

 

[Guest77]

It won't annoy me at all, it just shows how pathetic your "input" here has been - youve just fallen into your own hole.

Ooops

it already has :waving:

 

[Guest77]

At the end of the day the legitimate government of Syria have requested assistance from the Russians, in the same way the government of Iraq has requested the UK/US/EU for help to tackle ISIS, whenever Assad requests western intervention that's when Cameron should consider it.

Last year Cameron wanted to bomb Syria to take out Assad, now he wants to bomb Syria to take out ISIS. (ISIS were the rebels last year).

I wonder how this will end up actually, the Yanks want a new syrian government, the Russians want to keep the current one, they both are flying planes around the country and must have near misses, I wonder how long it is before one or the other shoots a jet down? and if so what after that?

 

[Octopus]

yeah probably, it changes regularly as well, in 6 months time it will be different I am sure.

Only if you go round polling people who are easily swayed in their opinions - just goes to show how out of touch Labour is if it thinks it needs to change its policies every 6 months to reflect public opinion!

 

[TJ Anderson]

Islamic Terrorist groups is the only thing we should be focused on at the moment. Everything else is a mute point until that is addressed.