Negotiations going as expected....

[telectrix]

you know me pete. a 6.00 am.dip in the Mersey does wonders for my sarcastic humour.

 

[Pete999]

you know me pete. a 6.00 am.dip in the Mersey does wonders for my sarcastic humour.

Stuff that for a lark.

 

[telectrix]

no larks in the Mersey, only Liver Birds.

 

[Pete999]

no larks in the Mersey, only Liver Birds.

Nerys Hughes wasn't it along with some other Bird can't think of her name

 

[telectrix]

Polly James.

 

[Pete999]

Polly James.

polly james - Google Search - https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=polly+james&client=firefox-b&dcr=0&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj-4pT2wIvWAhUnL8AKHaFNBpMQ_AUICigB&biw=1708&bih=794#imgrc=SdxzULnYqWsrPM: Nice hair do Polly

 

[telectrix]

i meant these pair.they sit on top of the Liver Building all day, but if you are patient, around 6.00a.m. and 10.00p.m.they fly down for a swim. it's a bit suicidal because they're made of bronze.

 

[Pete999]

i meant these pair.they sit on top of the Liver Building all day, but if you are patient, around 6.00a.m. and 10.00p.m.they fly down for a swim. it's a bit suicidal because they're made of bronze.

Yeah Right

 

[Octopus]

Back to the op, at the week end the EU negotiator told a group of people, off the record, in Italy that he was going to punish the UK and educate us ........

I've yet to hear him clarify what he meant or deny it ........

 

[Pete999]

Back to the op, at the week end the EU negotiator told a group of people, off the record, in Italy that he was going to punish the UK and educate us ........

I've yet to hear him clarify what he meant or deny it ........

With all due respect Murdoch,
D-Day Strategy and the Normandy Invasion - http://www.strategybydesign.org/d-day-strategy-and-the-normandy-invasion/

 

[Squid]

The Northern States fecked over the Southern States as they needed labour to work the rubbish jobs to pay in to the social system, look at the Germans and what they get in retirement pension wise compared to the UK, thus they needed the labour Merkel thought it would be a good idea to let the muslims in but al they do is take out of the system.

 

[telectrix]

Back to the op, at the week end the EU negotiator told a group of people, off the record, in Italy that he was going to punish the UK and educate us ........

I've yet to hear him clarify what he meant or deny it ........

don't worry about Italy, they'll change sides in a year or so.

 

[Des 56]

I have more to add
My opinion thats been rated 8 to 2 in favour of dislike of my post,it seems to be a true reflection of this forums overall rejection of the Eu by a large majority
Whilst I have not changed my own stance one bit,I do have some thoughts that may not be so contencious

Its all to do with the latest rantings of the man who I believe is mainly responsible for the majority vote to leave the Eu,one Tony Blair

It was he who caused one of the main issues that has divided the UK
In a selfish and very damaging way he opened the door to a worldwide increase in immigration that has repercussions to this day,all done so that the new labour vote would likely increase on the back of these new arrivals and secure his type of socialism for a generation,it backfired spectacularly

The referendum was a democratic vote where the majority held a different view to my own, I accept that for the will of the people of the UK and can go along with that choice that was made

What I find annoying is to read this fake socialist in the news dishing out ideas that he thinks will sort out the problem,when it was himself that caused the problem in his time in office
His failings in this and his lap dog stance with the American president in foreign conflicts makes him the last person for anyone to take heed
He needs to shut up,enjoy the fortune he has amassed on the back of a working mans party and maybe emigrate himself

 

[telectrix]

we should club together for his fare ( on a leaky small boat, confiscated from would be immigrants, a couple of pounds of semtex on a timer in the bilges ).

 

[UNG]

I have more to add
My opinion thats been rated 8 to 2 in favour of dislike of my post,it seems to be a true reflection of this forums overall rejection of the Eu by a large majority
Whilst I have not changed my own stance one bit,I do have some thoughts that may not be so contencious

Its all to do with the latest rantings of the man who I believe is mainly responsible for the majority vote to leave the Eu,one Tony Blair

It was he who caused one of the main issues that has divided the UK
In a selfish and very damaging way he opened the door to a worldwide increase in immigration that has repercussions to this day,all done so that the new labour vote would likely increase on the back of these new arrivals and secure his type of socialism for a generation,it backfired spectacularly

The referendum was a democratic vote where the majority held a different view to my own, I accept that for the will of the people of the UK and can go along with that choice that was made

What I find annoying is to read this fake socialist in the news dishing out ideas that he thinks will sort out the problem,when it was himself that caused the problem in his time in office
His failings in this and his lap dog stance with the American president in foreign conflicts makes him the last person for anyone to take heed
He needs to shut up,enjoy the fortune he has amassed on the back of a working mans party and maybe emigrate himself

You comments are very much the consensus of remainers who have a very shallow narrow minded reasoning of why people voted out without digging deeper

It has cost my mates business somewhere between 1/3 to 1/2 a million pounds to comply with an EU directive just so he can sell his goods having got approval in the UK this does not carry across all EU member states as you would expect and so the spend continues in each and every state he has customers he has to get it approved by their approval authority, on top of this some crazy EU bureaucrats were considering monitoring the background levels of ethylene in the atmosphere and raising a tax on ethylene production for fruit ripening if levels were found to be increasing

There are probably many more similar examples of EU bureaucracy that is costing business millions of pounds that is ultimately passed onto the person buying the goods

Add to that the corrupt EU commission who are a law unto themselves and apparently answer to no one

The remainers really need to look at the wider issues of the EU instead of just accepting the status quo it is very patronising continually being told why I and many others voted out when the reasons given are no where near the real facts, both referendum campaigns were very poor and light on fact, what was the deal that Cameron's shuffle diplomacy negotiated that the EU said they would renege on really says a lot about the EU, yes the out campaign promised things that were pie in the sky but both sides did that
Barnier is making out he is playing hard ball with the leave negotiation the truth is he has nothing to work with because the EU hierarchy won't allow him any scope and the EU are hoping that leaving doesn't happen. To revoke article 50 now would allow the EU to set the terms of our continued membership and give them a free for all
The problem at the moment is two fold
There are the financial markets who seem to be propping up the Euro when the Euro zone could be a bit of a lame duck with a budget black hole once brexit goes through
And the non democratic remainers who are fighting for democracy telling us we got it wrong and we need to carry on voting until we get it right
This country is in a hole right now because so many people are talking it and brexit down at every opportunity let's be positive and move forward

 

[sparksburnout]

UNG's comments above are now even further reinforced by the intransigent, stubborn and downright childish stance reported on in today's news. Quite obviously, the EU "negotiators" have no intention of conducting any meaningful dialogue, and are only concerned with attempting to extract the maximum amount of money from the UK in a pathetic attempt to both punish us for daring to leave their "club", and/or to bolster the kitty which our departure will leave somewhat depleted. As I have thought since day one, the only hope is when the bosses of the likes of BMW and so on become involved and take over from the non-elected, dictatorial and self proclaimed "leaders" of the federal state of Europe, the existence of whom are justification enough, in my opinion, to wave goodbye to this farce, let alone the multitude of other benefits.

 

[telectrix]

oh how i wish we could bring back margaret thatcher. she'd sort them eu pillocks out in no time.

 

[UNG]

The current stalemate that the negotiations have hit doesn't appear to help either side and the hard line no room for movement stance of the EU isn't helping when trying to find a solution.
I suppose the question that needs answering is what would a no deal exit mean for both sides and which one has more to lose.
With all the media speculation and the endless number of so called experts wheeled out to bolster all sides of the remain / leave, soft / hard / no deal brexit it is difficult filter out the real facts from the speculative scare fiction that is being pedalled, On that March day in 2019 will things just stop, pre the new millennium, the millennium bug was going to bring the world to a grinding halt on the stroke of new years day did that happen no, so to 2019 is the brexit bug going to bring things to a grinding halt between the UK and EU especially if there is no deal I doubt it, it will probably not be all plain sailing but businesses will adapt on both sides.
I think the EU has more to lose with a no deal as it will need to very quickly need to sort out it's budget having lost a major contributor to the coffers, in the short to medium term the 27 remaining states will have a job on to keep the EU together as pressure is put on their own budgets in order to prop up the EU and in the more prosperous states where most of the burden is likely to fall the populous may begin to question the value of the EU

There is more to brexit than the UK leaving the EU and it seems the EU leaders have their fingers in their ears and their eyes closed, with the current situation should the UK withdraw from the negotiations in my opinion at this moment it would have to be yes as much as we need a trade deal with the EU they need a trade deal with the UK, the EU needs to set out it's position as much as the UK needs to.
Negotiation is normally undertaken to find a middle ground consensus, something that the EU's negotiator Barnier and his bosses seem to have overlooked with their demands

 

[andyb]

The current stalemate that the negotiations have hit doesn't appear to help either side and the hard line no room for movement stance of the EU isn't helping when trying to find a solution.
I suppose the question that needs answering is what would a no deal exit mean for both sides and which one has more to lose.
With all the media speculation and the endless number of so called experts wheeled out to bolster all sides of the remain / leave, soft / hard / no deal brexit it is difficult filter out the real facts from the speculative scare fiction that is being pedalled, On that March day in 2019 will things just stop, pre the new millennium, the millennium bug was going to bring the world to a grinding halt on the stroke of new years day did that happen no, so to 2019 is the brexit bug going to bring things to a grinding halt between the UK and EU especially if there is no deal I doubt it, it will probably not be all plain sailing but businesses will adapt on both sides.
I think the EU has more to lose with a no deal as it will need to very quickly need to sort out it's budget having lost a major contributor to the coffers, in the short to medium term the 27 remaining states will have a job on to keep the EU together as pressure is put on their own budgets in order to prop up the EU and in the more prosperous states where most of the burden is likely to fall the populous may begin to question the value of the EU

There is more to brexit than the UK leaving the EU and it seems the EU leaders have their fingers in their ears and their eyes closed, with the current situation should the UK withdraw from the negotiations in my opinion at this moment it would have to be yes as much as we need a trade deal with the EU they need a trade deal with the UK, the EU needs to set out it's position as much as the UK needs to.
Negotiation is normally undertaken to find a middle ground consensus, something that the EU's negotiator Barnier and his bosses seem to have overlooked with their demands

Trigering artical 50 was about the UK leaving the EU, nothing else. Trade deals are a seperate thing entirely, we requested early talks on our trading relationship with the EU and as it would be to the EUs benifit as well as the UKs the EU agreed to early talks as long as sufficient progress had been made in the exit negotions, mainly the settlement figure, EUs citizens rights and the Irish border. This has not happened.
Don't believe the deluded claims by some of the more rabid brexiters that they have more to lose than us, 44% of our trade is to the EU, just 15% of theirs is to us. It's very very important to the EU but a lot more important to us. Also the loss or revenue from us is overstated, it's generally accepted that our net contribution is £10b, not a small sum but in an economy the size of the EU not a great deal. And don't forget this is between 27 countries, so £370m each (not much more per year than our NHS will be better off per week apparently)
Regarding planes flying to Europe the day after we leave, I believe they will. But guess what? that will need an agreement to be signed, you cant get away from it.

 

[sparksburnout]

I am not entirely sure about the loss of income as described in Andy's post. I do not profess to be in possession of the exact figures, however is it not the case that the UK, Germany and France between them make up the bulk of the contributions? A lot of the other member states contribute very little, indeed I wouldn't mind betting that some of them just purely benefit. I don't think that, just using common sense, it is realistic to say the loss of our contributions will be overstated, or anything other than a disaster for the EU. That is why they are behaving in the stubborn and negative manner you see at present. I am sure that the bulk of these 27 countries contribute nothing like the big 3. I have just watched Junkers on TV this lunchtime, the man is a vindictive idiot.