Permanent/Unswitched live colour

[BeardyJaws]

I personally favour Brown for perm and sleeve the black. Makes more sense to me to sleeve the black as it’s a switch wire. I know others I work with prefer black. End of the day if there’s an existing circuit you use the same system to save confusion.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Due to there being so many different wiring systems, there is no standard method.
Some systems use a perm and a switched feed, some just use a perm feed and switching is controlled by a Dali type ELV circuit.

 

[dinger809]

I’ve always done black as permanent live as that’s what I was shown. Plus, as said previously, Klik roses are black as permanent, brown as switched, so it seems logical to be the same. Can’t bring this up too much though, or there will be a reg about it soon!

 

[cliffed]

I love it..Black always,like you say the klick shows the way.
Then take a 3 core t&e to the switch,for switching emg & light,give that to a apprentice,bang bang..

 

[Red Tony]

Red......yellow.....blue..

Brown.....black.....grey.

Brown/red - perm live.

Black/yellow - switched/em live (tagged near connections with brown tape or sleeving)!

Grey/blue - earth.................



Joking pete999.....

Blue/grey - neutral.



That's how I do it and it seems logical to me.

 

[davesparks]

Red......yellow.....blue..

Brown.....black.....grey.

Brown/red - perm live.

Black/yellow - switched/em live (tagged near connections with brown tape or sleeving)!

Grey/blue - earth.................



Joking pete999.....

Blue/grey - neutral.



That's how I do it and it seems logical to me.

Then you end up with the lights wired in 3 core with yellow switched lives and the lights wired in 2 core having red switched lives. Overall it is easier to follow if all lights have a red switched live and just the few emergency fittings have the yellow auxiliary live.

 

[Red Tony]

Most important thing is to sleeve or tag connections. Worrying seeing so many not so at emergency fittings.

 

[davesparks]

Most important thing is to sleeve or tag connections. Worrying seeing so many not so at emergency fittings.

Why do you think that is the most important thing?

 

[Red Tony]

Coz I've seen them untagged with connections that include both colours old and young and you still get 'diy'ers or 'handymen' trying to replace bulkheads you know. So just like a switched live a black core used as an emergency live should be marked with sleeving to identify a live rather than neutral cable.
Didn't think I'd have to explain that though.

 

[bonjovi]

ive always used black as perm live on em circuits as at the db when I have 200 circuits ready for a big day of terminating the set thats black I instantly know theyre going in the relays and can easily part the bunches so as not to get them mixed up

 

[dinger809]

Klik roses and most pre made lighting systems come as switched brown and unswitched/permanent live is blackZ so that’s what I do

 

[ipf]

Klik roses and most pre made lighting systems come as switched brown and unswitched/permanent live is blackZ so that’s what I do

So Klik decide, then. Fair enough.
Must have spent twenty odd years messing with lighting circuits when the only click involved was knocking the switch on and off.

 

[dinger809]

So Klik decide, then. Fair enough.
Must have spent twenty odd years messing with lighting circuits when the only click involved was knocking the switch on and off.

It keeps it simple on large sites. Any prefabricated wiring systems come the same way. Keeping it the that way throughout, saves confusion

 

[marconi]

Zdb - I don't believe that the poll is unbiased because the % of votes for brown and black are presented throughout the polling and not revealed only at the end of the polling period. Or in other words, seeing the results so far may influence how some folk vote, or the possibility of this influence cannot be discounted. Just saying.

 

[bonjovi]

seeing the results so far may influence how some folk vote, or the possibility of this influence cannot be discounted. Just saying.

agreed as most people sparks not sparks are like sheep and go with the general consenses ,

 

[7029 dave]

That's another thing, what colour do you use as Common on two -way switching ? In the 'old days' there seemed to be a 50/50 split between those who favoured red and yellow.

I was Red. Dave

 

[Zdb]

Klik roses and most pre made lighting systems come as switched brown and unswitched/permanent live is blackZ so that’s what I do

Same as that. There is no right or wrong answer however I've just always used black for the same reason.

 

[Dave OCD]

I was Red. Dave

Me too Dave, and always put the yellow and T&E red in L1 and the blue and black in L2.

 

[7029 dave]

Me too Dave, and always put the yellow and T&E red in L1 and the blue and black in L2.

snap.................words words words errrrrr