Plug melted to dishwasher

[Si_Faz]

Evening folks, I hope someone here can help me? I recently found on removal of my knackered integral dishwasher the plug that had evidently been pressed against the back of the dishwasher has melted and fused with the dishwashers insulation.

I have lived in this house since brand new and moved in with this appliance fitted, the house actually belongs to the MOD so I cant just modify it without repercussions. I need to install a new dishwasher but I cannot currently find one that will fit the space I have (with the power socket directly behind the bloody thing)

I have asked the MOD to move the socket and they have thus far refused. Can any of you lovely folk advise me on any kind of regulation that I can use as back up to get them to shift it?

There is an Isolator switch on top of the cabinet to isolate that outlet so I have a feeling they may be legally covered. I still feel like Linden homes made a mistake installing it where they did.

Any help would be extremely welcome!!

Simon

 

[PEG]

Hi,what is the arrangement you have,with the property owner/manager,with reference to alterations,etc?

Most landlords have some kind of contract...but your's has ICBM's

 

[egg67]

If the house belongs to the MOD then it will be them that has to replace the dishwasher not you,

 

[Dave OCD]

I'd tell them that with the overheating there could easily have been a fire, it would be a simple job to blank off the socket and relocate to an adjacent base unit and this would solve the problem.

 

[Si_Faz]

If the house belongs to the MOD then it will be them that has to replace the dishwasher not you,

Unfortunately because I am not "entitled" to a dishwasher they wont replace it.

 

[Si_Faz]

I'd tell them that with the overheating there could easily have been a fire, it would be a simple job to blank off the socket and relocate to an adjacent base unit and this would solve the problem.

I fully appreciate the ease of the job, because of the bureaucracy of it all they wont do it unless I have a good reason. (apparently wanting a safe dishwasher isn't a good enough reason)

 

[Si_Faz]

Hi,what is the arrangement you have,with the property owner/manager,with reference to alterations,etc?

Most landlords have some kind of contract...but your's has ICBM's

I have whats called Licence to occupy, I don't get normal tenants rights. I cant make any changes without permission and they wont give me permission to move it. So I need to prove that it HAS to be moved

 

[Strima]

You stand absolutely no hope of getting this sorted out. The MOD have farmed out their property management to Carrillion and they don't give a crap.

Also you do not have a rental agreement, you have a license to occupy which gives you fewer rights than the average illegal immigrant.

There's no specific regulation for the positioning of socket outlets so you are pretty much stumped.

Who owns the dishwasher?

 

[Si_Faz]

You stand absolutely no hope of getting this sorted out. The MOD have farmed out their property management to Carrillion and they don't give a crap.

Also you do not have a rental agreement, you have a license to occupy which gives you fewer rights than the average illegal immigrant.

There's no specific regulation for the positioning of socket outlets so you are pretty much stumped.

Who owns the dishwasher?

The MOD own the broken one and are taking it away.

I can fit a free standing unit but it would stick out about 3 inches from the cabinet. and where the dish washer is located is a thruway of sorts to my living room. (the kitchen is in the centre of the house)

 

[Strima]

TBH mate there’s not a lot you can do. I would be going with the freestanding one but without knowing the layout of the property only you know if you can live with it or not.

If there’s damage to the area around the socket takes photos and inform the estate manager to cover yourself. Also when you have the annual electrical inspection point the socket out so it can be tested correctly as I know they often don’t do a full inspection and just change the batteries in the smoke alarm.

 

[Si_Faz]

TBH mate there’s not a lot you can do. I would be going with the freestanding one but without knowing the layout of the property only you know if you can live with it or not.

If there’s damage to the area around the socket takes photos and inform the estate manager to cover yourself. Also when you have the annual electrical inspection point the socket out so it can be tested correctly as I know they often don’t do a full inspection and just change the batteries in the smoke alarm.

It's so frustrating, if it was my house I could sort it. Even if I was renting I could probably sort it. Just stupid military ---- contracts making life hard!

 

[Strima]

If you’re on Facebook take a look at the FYB page. Carillion get a good slating on there

 

[buzzlightyear]

management to Carrillion

pop goes the weasel .

 

[Si_Faz]

If you’re on Facebook take a look at the FYB page. Carillion get a good slating on there

Yeah I like that page, not sure how far it'll get me mind. I was also looking at the Carillion hate pages. But again, moaning probably wont get me far. I was hoping for legal facts to give me a solid argument. Never mind. Maybe I'll go the H&S route and make out like my kids will brae themselves on a protruding dishwasher.

 

[buzzlightyear]

I can fit a free standing unit but it would stick out about 3 inches from the cabinet. and where the dish washer is located is a thruway of sorts to my living room. (the kitchen is in the centre of the house)

so you cant use bowl and water then with mild green fairy liquid then .

 

[buzzlightyear]

have rang Whitehall ,London.

 

[Si_Faz]

so you cant use bowl and water then with mild green fairy liquid then .

Ha, I can. But I only have 8 inches of worktop next to the sink and a small draining board. They laid the kitchen out to have a dishwasher.

 

[Strima]

As they have provided the dishwasher this comes under ISTIEE regulations (PAT). You can ask to see the testing records for this appliance, good luck with that.

TBH you could try any legal route but you will get nowhere, they have very well paid barristers on their payroll.

You've seen in the past how far people have got with much more serious issues, you've more chance of curling one out of the moon than getting any where with this.

 

[buzzlightyear]

moaning probably wont get me far. I was hoping for legal facts to give me a solid argument

if my dishwasher brakes down ,heaven forbids. I would have to get the pink marigolds out and start using them .

 

[PEG]

Personally,before posting in such a public place,having had an incident,caused by the fitting of my own "un-entitled" pot washer...
I would have got a spark to sort it,and just added that cost,to the depreciation on another dishwasher.

Adapt,overcome,survive

 

[Si_Faz]

Personally,before posting in such a public place,having had an incident,caused by the fitting of my own "un-entitled" pot washer...
I would have got a spark to sort it,and just added that cost,to the depreciation on another dishwasher.

Adapt,overcome,survive

It wasn’t mine, it came with the house as bought by MOD. Fitted badly by the house builder

 

[willy fixit]

How much melting occurred? Have you got a picture? I'm just imagining a D/W with the black tarry stuff on the back which, under pressure and not necessarily a lot of heat would mould itself to the plug and look worse than it is. Have you dismantled the plug to look for signs of overheating inside?
Also (not ideal) the socket outlet plate could be swapped for a flex outlet if the isolation switch is fused.

 

[johnduffell]

Sounds like a right pain! My suggestion would be replace the socket with a Fcu with a bottom flex outlet and hopefully that will give you a few inches back.
Or you could go under the plinth to another socket if there is one.
Another option is to do some modifications to the dishwasher itself, but that might be worse than modifying the wall.

 

[willy fixit]

Need some pics. The sound/Thermal insulation may be easily cut away a little to clear the plug as jd said.

 

[Gavin John Hyde]

ah mod property... It comes down to rank... Mere mortals get what you are given... A warrant officer better still. A commisioned officer however will be entitled to a lot more... When doing basic phase 1 at halton some officers lived in a stately home that would make the royals green with envy

 

[shaun1]

Is there anyway of instructing the MOD contracter to do the work but sending you the bill?

 

[Strima]

Is there anyway of instructing the MOD contracter to do the work but sending you the bill?

And the bill will be a round five times that of a normal spark.

 

[telectrix]

Unfortunately because I am not "entitled" to a dishwasher they wont replace it.

solution.... get married.... lo and behold a dishwaher that cooks as well.

 

[Strima]

solution.... get married.... lo and behold a dishwaher that cooks as well.

I thought that. Turned out I got faulty goods...

 

[Si_Faz]

Thanks for all the replies folks. I have managed to moan enough that the area estate manager is visiting me later in the week. Hopefully I’ll have some joy with them! Sadly common sense is a rare commodity within MOD civvi infrastructure!

 

[willy fixit]

Thanks for all the replies folks. I have managed to moan enough that the area estate manager is visiting me later in the week. Hopefully I’ll have some joy with them! Sadly common sense is a rare commodity within MOD civvi infrastructure!

Still would've liked a pic of the plug!

 

[Si_Faz]

Still would've liked a pic of the plug!

The plug is long gone mate or I’d have sent one. In my eyes it was fine. It was just the foam/rubber insulation that had melted itself to the plug.

 

[Si_Faz]

So following all this nonsense, I held the dishwasher hostage and complained to the right people they have agreed to move my plug socket!

Oh and here is the back of the old dishwasher... for those who wanted pictures

 

[telectrix]

plug top gets warm, stuffed into the machine's insulation, gets hot and melts. ssssimplesss.

 

[telectrix]

plug top normally gets warm, stuffed into the machine's insulation, gets hot and melts. ssssimplesss.

 

[willy fixit]

Result! Obviously got quite warm!

 

[HandySparks]

plug top gets warm, stuffed into the machine's insulation, gets hot and melts. ssssimplesss.

Result! Obviously got quite warm!

It's the back of the dishwasher that gets warm with the very hot water sloshing around. Anything pressed against it will sink into the soft tarry sound/heat insulation.