Discuss Powerline Adaptor and power bands in the UK Electrical Forum area at ElectriciansForums.net

Reaction score
24
Hi,

Just been looking into powerline adaptors and just wondering how they work. I read that they operate on far higher frequencies to mains power, but if that's the case why don't you have to separate band 1 and 2 like in other applications?

Just hoping to find out the reasons

Cheers Lads
 
There are two aspects to separating the different bands of cables. One is to prevent mains voltages from getting into telecomms / data circuits in the event of damage; this can be overridden if the data cables are insulated sufficiently for the highest voltage present. E.g. although a bell circuit might use 12V itself, if it is wired in a mains-rated cable there's another layer of adequate insulation between its conductors and the mains conductors and they can run together. Obviously this aspect doesn't apply to the powerline data adaptor because it doesn't have a cable of its own.

The second aspect is preventing interference. Data and comms interfaces are designed to be as resistant to incoming interference as possible, so that fields surrounding the cables don't disrupt the signal. But, where power and data run very close together, the field strengths can be high and some interference is likely. However, the signal encoding and modulation system used in the powerline adaptor is designed to work in an extremely electrically noisy environment, not just being near to mains cables but actually superimposed on the mains. So, it doesn't benefit from segregation because there's nothing worse to segregate it from.

They are a fudge, and will never offer the data performance of a dedicated data link. They do the best they can with the available connectivity, by sacrificing performance for interference-proofing.
 
As above, powerline adaptors are a disaster and should only ever be considered as an absolute last resort! They often give of substantial RF interference too.
 
There are two aspects to separating the different bands of cables. One is to prevent mains voltages from getting into telecomms / data circuits in the event of damage; this can be overridden if the data cables are insulated sufficiently for the highest voltage present. E.g. although a bell circuit might use 12V itself, if it is wired in a mains-rated cable there's another layer of adequate insulation between its conductors and the mains conductors and they can run together. Obviously this aspect doesn't apply to the powerline data adaptor because it doesn't have a cable of its own.

The second aspect is preventing interference. Data and comms interfaces are designed to be as resistant to incoming interference as possible, so that fields surrounding the cables don't disrupt the signal. But, where power and data run very close together, the field strengths can be high and some interference is likely. However, the signal encoding and modulation system used in the powerline adaptor is designed to work in an extremely electrically noisy environment, not just being near to mains cables but actually superimposed on the mains. So, it doesn't benefit from segregation because there's nothing worse to segregate it from.

They are a fudge, and will never offer the data performance of a dedicated data link. They do the best they can with the available connectivity, by sacrificing performance for interference-proofing.
Cheers man, knew there had to be a catch!
 
I have used them in the past when absolutely no other solution.
generaly if they do work then 5 to 10% of the quoted speed seems normal.
 

Reply to Powerline Adaptor and power bands in the UK Electrical Forum area at ElectriciansForums.net

Similar Threads

Hi everyone :) my first post here. Quick background I'm a newly qualified installer of somewhat advanced years whose just starting out in the...
Replies
12
Views
1K
Hi... I was wondering if I could pick your collective brains as I am currently stumped. :-) In my old house, I bought "Powerline Ethernet"...
Replies
18
Views
2K
Hi. I've read much about ac vs dc but can't find a 'simple' answer. If current alternates 50 times per second in a uk mains circuit, why do live...
Replies
23
Views
1K
Hi fellow sparks, I've just started out on my own so I'm spending a lot of my time trying to find out the correct way of doing things of...
Replies
13
Views
825
Hi all, Just to be clear, I'm not looking for advice on upgrading but rather just clarification of our existing setup. We need to upgrade the...
Replies
12
Views
1K

OFFICIAL SPONSORS

Electrical Goods - Electrical Tools - Brand Names Electrician Courses Green Electrical Goods PCB Way Electrical Goods - Electrical Tools - Brand Names Pushfit Wire Connectors Electric Underfloor Heating Electrician Courses
These Official Forum Sponsors May Provide Discounts to Regular Forum Members - If you would like to sponsor us then CLICK HERE and post a thread with who you are, and we'll send you some stats etc

Electrical Forum

Welcome to the Electrical Forum at ElectriciansForums.net. The friendliest electrical forum online. General electrical questions and answers can be found in the electrical forum.
This website was designed, optimised and is hosted by Untold Media. Operating under the name Untold Media since 2001.
Back
Top
AdBlock Detected

We get it, advertisements are annoying!

Sure, ad-blocking software does a great job at blocking ads, but it also blocks useful features of our website. For the best site experience please disable your AdBlocker.

I've Disabled AdBlock