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Ashley Williams

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I've been asked to go on a 17th edition regs course by my employer now obviously this is advantageous to myself. But it's out of my normal working hours. The course is 10 weeks long every Wednesday night for 3 hours. They expect me to work my normal day the go to the course which is 1 1/2 hours drive from work then around 45 minutes home. Should I get paid for my time at the course aka the 3 hours and should I get paid my mileage?? The course is available at nearer locations during the working day. But they are saying well this is the training provider we use. Any advice is appreciated if it was 2 or 3 weeks it wouldn't be as bad but it's a lot of my time and fuel for something that is extremely adventitious to them as well.

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If the company is paying for the course I'd grab it with both hands and wouldn't worry about a few late nights if I were you. If the travel costs were considerable maybe broach the subject of getting some assistance, I'd ask really nicely if they could help out with half the petrol cost or something similar.

This is just my opinion but it wouldn't surprise me if there was something in the employment law that governs what they would have to pay you.
 
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If it's any consolation ....
I came back to sparking after working for a few years in social services.
We were getting paid 2/10 of sod all and were expected to complete an SVQ L3 in our own time.
Without the L3 we were told we would be unable to continue working.
We were allocated 1 Hour per week paid time to study.
As you can imagine working for the local council we never saw the hours study time.

If they are paying for the college and it helps you in the long term grab it with both hands :)
 
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Have you guys calculated it at all? If it's nearly 5 hours of his time for 10 weeks it works out at 50 hours. Surely his hourly rate by the 50 hours is more that what the course would cost.

Could you not do it over 2/3 days and use holidays? That way your being paid albeit losing 3 days holiday.
 
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If your employer is offering to add to your "transportable" skill set and qualifications you should be biting their arm off. And good on your employer for doingthis for you.

People who moan about having to put themselves out, are what gets British workers bad names.
 
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Since when has the 17th moved to being a 30 hour course? Mine was never that long.
If your employer is willing to pay for the course and give you some money towards the travel then dont whinge about it.
If they are not then do some calculations and see, as Dalf has said, if its cheaper to do it nearer you and take holidays to do it. See of the company will pay half towards the course.
 
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ferg said:
If it's any consolation ....
I came back to sparking after working for a few years in social services.
We were getting paid 2/10 of sod all and were expected to complete an SVQ L3 in our own time.
Without the L3 we were told we would be unable to continue working.
We were allocated 1 Hour per week paid time to study.
As you can imagine working for the local council we never saw the hours study time.

If they are paying for the college and it helps you in the long term grab it with both hands :)
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Having worked for a council you would not have got an hour to study you just skived and did 8 LOL
 
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It's about 20 minutes home. The annoying thing is local collage does it over a few days and if I did it that way my fuel cost would be no different and I would do it during work time and get paid. I've decided that if they are not willing to at least cover my fuel costs I won't be doing it.

Thanks for for the advice Ashley
 
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Ashley Williams said:
It's about 20 minutes home. The annoying thing is local collage does it over a few days and if I did it that way my fuel cost would be no different and I would do it during work time and get paid. I've decided that if they are not willing to at least cover my fuel costs I won't be doing it.

Thanks for for the advice Ashley
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I hope you don't live to regret this decision!
 
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Ashley Williams said:
It's about 20 minutes home. The annoying thing is local collage does it over a few days and if I did it that way my fuel cost would be no different and I would do it during work time and get paid. I've decided that if they are not willing to at least cover my fuel costs I won't be doing it.

Thanks for for the advice Ashley
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No consideration for the cost of the course by your employer i see. Giving you a qualification off there own back that you can use to your advantage in the future...

Turn it down and you're a mug.
 
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Ashley Williams said:
It's about 20 minutes home. The annoying thing is local collage does it over a few days and if I did it that way my fuel cost would be no different and I would do it during work time and get paid. I've decided that if they are not willing to at least cover my fuel costs I won't be doing it.

Thanks for for the advice Ashley
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And I bet Mr Polski or Mr Spaniard or Mr Italian would be putting themselves out.
 
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markc123 said:
No consideration for the cost of the course by your employer i see. Giving you a qualification off there own back that you can use to your advantage in the future...

Turn it down and you're a mug.
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It may not be what it seems, my employer put me through the 17th at a training provider about 20 miles away even though there were much closer opportunities, turned out they were getting funding from a local training initative so it didn't cost them much but had to use a specific provider.
Luckily we were sent during "works time" so got paid and used a company car for transport.
 
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When you work for the company I do then you would understand as an apprentice I was promised I would be bought tools. For 6 months I had nothing eventually I gave up asking and had to start buying myself. I've been there 3 years now and have spent somewhere in the region of 2000 pound on my tools. In this time I've been bought 2 work t-shirts 1 pair of trousers and 3 pairs of overalls. Boots have been bought myself and so has the rest of my workwear. A few weeks ago I got a phone call on a Friday night at about 8 o'clock saying a machine has broke (I'm not on call I'm never on call my boss is)and they where desperate for it. So I travelled back to work I clocked in and then clocked out 37 minutes later. They paid me for 30 minutes and refused to pay me a penny more.

Ashley
 
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Ashley Williams said:
When you work for the company I do then you would understand as an apprentice I was promised I would be bought tools. For 6 months I had nothing eventually I gave up asking and had to start buying myself. I've been there 3 years now and have spent somewhere in the region of 2000 pound on my tools. In this time I've been bought 2 work t-shirts 1 pair of trousers and 3 pairs of overalls. Boots have been bought myself and so has the rest of my workwear. A few weeks ago I got a phone call on a Friday night at about 8 o'clock saying a machine has broke (I'm not on call I'm never on call my boss is)and they where desperate for it. So I travelled back to work I clocked in and then clocked out 37 minutes later. They paid me for 30 minutes and refused to pay me a penny more.

Ashley
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All the more reason to get the qualification, add it to your CV and get a new job.
 
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Robotstar5 said:
It may not be what it seems, my employer put me through the 17th at a training provider about 20 miles away even though there were much closer opportunities, turned out they were getting funding from a local training initative so it didn't cost them much but had to use a specific provider.
Luckily we were sent during "works time" so got paid and used a company car for transport.
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Not sure i agree, when i was an apprentice i was made to go on courses up in Billingham, now Billingham from Scarborough is 3hours drive depending on traffic. I don't see the problem with the travel....people are just too tight about spending there 'beer' money theses days - be thankful, gain more qualifications = boost in CV / better JIB card, or more on the back making you look superior to others, thus better job opportunities in the future.

Im not sure how old the OP is but 10weeks across a life time, its naff all.
 
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OP if you turn it down then i hope your employer sends someone else...

Hard times may arise for him (hopefully not) then who gets sacked? you - not the other geezer because hes shown willing to learn and has put himself out.

You gotta bust your balls and do things you don't wonna do to suceed in this trade. If you don't, theres always someone else that will. And that applys to all walks of life.
 
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Having to buy your own tools? FFS!!! I guess you think your employer should pay for everything you need then watch you walk away? EVERYONE buys their own tools, you'll take care of them more and take pride in using the right one for the job. They are tax deductable, as is PPE. There ain't no such thing as a free lunch, pal, certainly not these days. There are guys queueing up for opportunities like this, so suck it up and get on with it or let someone else with some commitment and desire have a go. Jeez....
 
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I badgered my employer for a year to put me on the fgas course so I could be multiskilled and therefore more attractive to either them come promotion time or another employer. More than happy to take 3 hours for 2 nights a week for 10 weeks to achieve this. My employer was over the moon that I'm doing it in my own time he stumped up the £1500 for it. Grab the opportunity with both hands I say!
 
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Spoiled. 2k on your tools, haha that's cheap! Don't moan about it just do it, 50 hours of your time is nothing for a qual that will help you out. More to the point, why are there still people not 17th edition qualified?
 
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Really. People have given you different alternatives, none of them where 'I wont do it'. I dont know how old you are but you sound like a typical young lad that wants everything on a plate.
I dive buddy of mine no longer employs English people as the eastern European people work harder and whinge less... looks like he may be right..
 
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I honestly can't believe what I am reading here! I paid for my own 17th Edition course and took three days off work unpaid! Also did the same for the IPAF and PASMA courses. I do this because I want to be the Electrician with the most tickets on the firm so when work dries up like it did at the start of the year the firm I subcontract to got rid of all the **** and I got kept on!

I work with a lad who has the same attitude as yourself where the whole world is against you! I think you need take a step back and realise how lucky you are to be working for such a company! Sorry for being harsh but things like this grind me down!
 
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Spinks said:
Spoiled. 2k on your tools, haha that's cheap! Don't moan about it just do it, 50 hours of your time is nothing for a qual that will help you out. More to the point, why are there still people not 17th edition qualified?
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Exactly, unless you're new into the trade I.E. just coming out of your time then there is absolutley no reason why you should be under taking the 17th ed course now.
 
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Just out of interest, ive looked at what the 17th ed course is costing now...its roughly £500 quid. So the OP is being very silly IMHO.

On a side note : It says theres a 98% pass rate. HAHA if you are the 2% that fail the easiest exam in the world, you should be very ashamed.
 
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Ashley Williams said:
Boots have been bought myself and so has the rest of my workwear.
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For an employee that is illegal, all required PPE must be provided by the employer Free Of Charge to the employee for the employer to meet their obligations under statute law.

Perhaps this is why so many unscrupulous employers employ foreign workers, because they can get away with breaking the law, thus giving themselves an unfair & illegal advantage over legitimate businesses by not meeting the requirements that legitimate businesses have to?
 
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Hopefully the OP has seen the error of his ways and stops acting like a spoiled brat and that is why he hasn't come back on the thread...
 
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Spoon said:
Hopefully the OP has seen the error of his ways and stops acting like a spoiled brat and that is why he hasn't come back on the thread...
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I was wondering that, but we'll never know because the attitude displayed is one that is unlikely to admit a mistake!
 
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Very true Murdoch.. Also notices that as well as not admiting thay have made a mistake people are also expecting answers without them giving any thanks..
 
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Grab it with both hands,if they are giving you the cert at the end what more do you want? When I was with my last firm I sat 2 exams,both C&G passed them both but didn't get the certs,apparently it was company policy to keep hold of them as quote "you did the courses in our time and we paid for them" as for supplying your own tools,well that's no big deal a lot of people do these days,if it's kit you can use anywhere then you will need it anyway at some point,at least you don't have to buy stuff that is only used in that particular job,I've still got tools and test gear that I had to buy when I worked in telecommunications that was soley for use in that game and hard to shift without taking a real knock on it.At the end of the day just remember there are probably sparks out there who need a job who've got more qualifications and experience than you and would take your job in an instant,the fact the company is paying is a good thing,a lot of firms insist you have certain quals these days and if you don't heve them when they take you on they expect you to get them within a certain length of time at YOUR expense.
 
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netblindpaul said:
For an employee that is illegal, all required PPE must be provided by the employer Free Of Charge to the employee for the employer to meet their obligations under statute law.

Perhaps this is why so many unscrupulous employers employ foreign workers, because they can get away with breaking the law, thus giving themselves an unfair & illegal advantage over legitimate businesses by not meeting the requirements that legitimate businesses have to?
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very true Paul,sadly these days a lot of firms expect you to have boots,hard hat,hi viz etc.Mind you when I sorted out my cupboard recently I was amazed at the number of hi viz coats that I had,used to get a new one issued at a new firm but still use my old one,I think I've got enough to last years lol
 
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Thanks Murdoch but I wasnt expecting a Thanks from you.. Your a good bloke.
Manners... it cost you nothing.. more people should try using them...
 
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