Sources of larger than normal ceiling roses

[Gavin John Hyde]

Got a job fitting some bits and bobs in a house, its a new build and the people who built it butchered the ceiling, even a light weight lamp shade pulls the ceilign roses out of the plaster board, they used rawl plugs and screws and no joist in sight! when they cut open the hole to get to the cable after it was boarded, they left just a few mm that is crumbling and is not able to support the standard 6 inch pendant.
Have seen and come across wider diameter ceiling rose / pendant sets but not 100% who stocks them.
Can't get access to ceiling from above to repair as its just been carpeted throughout!
So options are wider diameter ceiling roses or put some sort of plaster ceiling rose on then screw the standard one to this, the wider diameter will mean i can screw into decent plaster avoiding the butchered edges.
Anybody know who sells the bigger / wider pendant sets or ceiling flex outlets?

 

[Pete999]

Got a job fitting some bits and bobs in a house, its a new build and the people who built it butchered the ceiling, even a light weight lamp shade pulls the ceilign roses out of the plaster board, they used rawl plugs and screws and no joist in sight! when they cut open the hole to get to the cable after it was boarded, they left just a few mm that is crumbling and is not able to support the standard 6 inch pendant.
Have seen and come across wider diameter ceiling rose / pendant sets but not 100% who stocks them.
Can't get access to ceiling from above to repair as its just been carpeted throughout!
So options are wider diameter ceiling roses or put some sort of plaster ceiling rose on then screw the standard one to this, the wider diameter will mean i can screw into decent plaster avoiding the butchered edges.
Anybody know who sells the bigger / wider pendant sets or ceiling flex outlets?

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[telectrix]

 

[Leesparkykent]

Got a job fitting some bits and bobs in a house, its a new build and the people who built it butchered the ceiling, even a light weight lamp shade pulls the ceilign roses out of the plaster board, they used rawl plugs and screws and no joist in sight! when they cut open the hole to get to the cable after it was boarded, they left just a few mm that is crumbling and is not able to support the standard 6 inch pendant.
Have seen and come across wider diameter ceiling rose / pendant sets but not 100% who stocks them.
Can't get access to ceiling from above to repair as its just been carpeted throughout!
So options are wider diameter ceiling roses or put some sort of plaster ceiling rose on then screw the standard one to this, the wider diameter will mean i can screw into decent plaster avoiding the butchered edges.
Anybody know who sells the bigger / wider pendant sets or ceiling flex outlets?

In this situation I get plastic packers that wood butchers use for door linings etc and cut them down, make the hole a little bigger, put them in and hold them in place with my finger and use long screws.

Or use these https://www.screwfix.com/p/appleby-...gclsrc=aw.ds&dclid=CIiSr_OouNwCFYIX0wodIGwL8Q

If it's double boarded then you could use the ones with the red wings that you use for fire alarm bases.

 

[Andy78]

You could maybe use a pendant patress, the type used when surface wiring with trunking. Either that or a decorative wooden base.

 

[snowhead]

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[Toneyz]

Similar to Lee, but insert a bit of wood through the hole fix wood with screws through the plasterboard then screw up the ceiling rose or around fast fix box the MT ones with red wings could spread the load

 

[Rosco]

Can you get above them to fix a batten? I know in this heat loft work is probably the last thing you want to do though!!

 

[Dillb]

Sounds like it would be easier to cut a patch out, put a piece of timber in then patch it afterwards, as that will also help in the future if they want to swap the fittings again.

 

[Pete999]

Got a job fitting some bits and bobs in a house, its a new build and the people who built it butchered the ceiling, even a light weight lamp shade pulls the ceilign roses out of the plaster board, they used rawl plugs and screws and no joist in sight! when they cut open the hole to get to the cable after it was boarded, they left just a few mm that is crumbling and is not able to support the standard 6 inch pendant.
Have seen and come across wider diameter ceiling rose / pendant sets but not 100% who stocks them.
Can't get access to ceiling from above to repair as its just been carpeted throughout!
So options are wider diameter ceiling roses or put some sort of plaster ceiling rose on then screw the standard one to this, the wider diameter will mean i can screw into decent plaster avoiding the butchered edges.
Anybody know who sells the bigger / wider pendant sets or ceiling flex outlets?

 

[Octopus]

Single downlight instead of pendent?

 

[Toneyz]

Sounds like it would be easier to cut a patch out, put a piece of timber in then patch it afterwards, as that will also help in the future if they want to swap the fittings again.

This is more than less what I posted but you shouldn't have to cut out beyond the diameter of the ceiling rose. Just seen Pete's video how he puts the wood in also.

 

[Resu]

Appleby do a round dry liner about the same diameter as a standard pendant

 

[Gavin John Hyde]

the upstairs lights have all been changed for spot lights so had nice wide metal brackets that solved the problem, but downstairs is where i have the problem, cant lift carpets as they have just been fitted and quite expensive!
Im thinking I may have to use some mdf discs and screw them with very long screws into a baton in the cavity above, the baton being about a 10 inches, the baton would spread out across the damaged and weak area around the hole. the disc taking the pendant fitting. 5mm mdf with a little decorators caulk will barely notice, especially since they are having light shades put on them.

 

[telectrix]

sod mdf, use a bit of real wood. screwed to some lath as you described.

 

[Risteard]

Got a job fitting some bits and bobs in a house, its a new build and the people who built it butchered the ceiling, even a light weight lamp shade pulls the ceilign roses out of the plaster board, they used rawl plugs and screws and no joist in sight! when they cut open the hole to get to the cable after it was boarded, they left just a few mm that is crumbling and is not able to support the standard 6 inch pendant.
Have seen and come across wider diameter ceiling rose / pendant sets but not 100% who stocks them.
Can't get access to ceiling from above to repair as its just been carpeted throughout!
So options are wider diameter ceiling roses or put some sort of plaster ceiling rose on then screw the standard one to this, the wider diameter will mean i can screw into decent plaster avoiding the butchered edges.
Anybody know who sells the bigger / wider pendant sets or ceiling flex outlets?

What about screwing into a round dryliner?

 

[MJPD29]

If it is only for a standard ceiling rose could you not slide a bit of timber through the hole and spread the weight?

 

[MJPD29]

If it is only for a standard ceiling rose could you not slide a bit of timber through the hole and spread the weight?

 

[Gavin John Hyde]

What about screwing into a round dryliner?

the plasterboard around the hole is so thin and damaged it wouldnt take a drylining box, the numpties who did the second fix after the plasterers had been around by the looks of it went to work with a plasterboard saw and cut a random hole badly damaging the board when the painters came along it crumbled with the moisture.

 

[telectrix]

cut a square section out, joist to joist, fix a patch with reinforcement.

 

[Gavin John Hyde]

cut a square section out, joist to joist, fix a patch with reinforcement.

not ideal as the customer wants minimal damage and making good due to it being a new build and them only having it a few weeks. Linden homes have made some pretty awful homes on that development, I have done work in 3 houses there now and all have major issues I wouldn't be happy with. She will be submitting my invoice to Linden though so will see what happens.

 

[Toneyz]

I would not always put the full blame on the house builder. I used to find if you have a good site manager MOST trades have a laugh and help each other out and the house is built to a good standard (you always have the one on site that bucks the trend). Seems no cross noggins installed as light between joists.