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Only 3 weeks into my level 2 and yesterday was the first day I have doubts about this course. Why?
It was the first day of science and maths and I have been left totally baffled.
Some of it sank in , but I feel l am already struggling and already lagging behind.
Unless the rest of the class are not admitting to it and I am the only person asking questions. But some are grasping it better than others.
Stayed up till midnight last night trying to make sense of the worksheets .
Made some headway but feeling very despondent this morning.
Can anyone tell me how to access the trainee section ,doesn’t seem very accessible.
Anyway new day today, maybe have a light bulb moment and it will start making sense.
 

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Some people will always grasp some things quicker than others mate, you’ll never learn all the maths and theories in 3 weeks.....don’t stress and keep at it mate 😁
 

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Some people will always grasp some things quicker than others mate, you’ll never learn all the maths and theories in 3 weeks.....don’t stress and keep at it mate 😁
Thanks Baddegg, appreciate it
 

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Thanks Baddegg, appreciate it
Welcome mate, go and watch John ward and the others on you tube, just immerse yourself in this stuff and it will come....but if you are a trainee get yourself into the trainee section on here I promise you’ll meet some extremely clever people who won’t take the ---- and will explain things in ways I could never do 😂
 

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Don’t stress mate, I felt the same recently when I was doing my Cert 4 in instrumentation. I’m crap at maths and stumbled through the PID controller gain calculations. There was two blokes on the course who looked like they were all over it. Found out towards the end that they were struggling and left a lot of unanswered sections.
 

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@OP. whynotpost up the sort of things you are struggling with. some of us old timers have easy ways of remembering formulae and short cuts to make the maths easier.
 
Math teachers ,always knew what the target was .
My favorite was understanding if I've moved equations about right.
by shoving a few simple numbers in.
6 = 2 * 3

3= 6 / 2 and 2= 6 / 3 ...

three numbers but 3 possible ways to their relationships ... all look different !
 

telectrix

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Math teachers ,always knew what the target was .
My favorite was understanding if I've moved equations about right.
by shoving a few simple numbers in.
6 = 2 * 3

3= 6 / 2 and 2= 6 / 3 ...

three numbers but 3 possible ways to their relationships ... all look different !
but that's got a 6 in it. have to use both sets of fingers. advanced maths is where you need to use your toes as well.
 

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And don't forget, if you aren't sure about something then you can bet that at least one other person is in the same boat. A lot of people don't like admitting they are not understanding things.
 
Mate im 28 and in my 3rd year of my apprenticeship at level 3 and still don't get it (not through the lack of trying). It will click eventually i keep telling myself just got to do enough questions and figure out what equation is for what question. Keep chipping away.
 

Thommo

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Mate im 28 and in my 3rd year of my apprenticeship at level 3 and still don't get it (not through the lack of trying). It will click eventually i keep telling myself just got to do enough questions and figure out what equation is for what question. Keep chipping away.
Cheers mate, exactly that.
Which formula for which problem.
Would like to thank you all for the encouragement ,had a better day today. Just need to keep plugging away
 

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most of the equations and formulae are quite simple once you get the hang of them. but can be daunting when you first see them. here is a useful tool:1592331982049.png
 
. can't remember how to use them any more.
A loved slide rule simplicity.
simply by adding the scales did multiplication for you.
4 add to 4 ... gives 16 on a log scale -or just 8 on a linear one.
(take a smaller from a bigger --becomes division )
 

Thommo

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@OP. whynotpost up the sort of things you are struggling with. some of us old timers have easy ways of remembering formulae and short cuts to make the maths easier.
Which formula and when to use it at the moment would be a good place to start mate.
The chart you posted looks like it may get me off the ground.
Can’t wait to see if I can make it work for me. Thanks very much.
My third day tomorrow on science and maths, it seems to be moving on very quickly from subject to subject and I felt I was being rushed onto the next bit before I understood the previous one.
I guess I am just a bit slower than the young bucks. Just hoping I haven’t bitten off more than I can chew at my age.
I struggled to even use the scientific calculator at first.
55 year old now, been a long time since I was at school . Done a 5 year apprenticeship at print college, don’t remember it being so intense.
Mind you that was only 1 day a week.
 

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Are you at your local college Thommo? If so quite surprised if they're are trying to rush it through as they'll normally make sure everyone understood things before moving on.
 

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Are you at your local college Thommo? If so quite surprised if they're are trying to rush it through as they'll normally make sure everyone understood things before moving on.
Don’t think they are rushing it mate, probably me being a bit slow on the uptake.
But some of the young uns are very quick.
Very difficult for the instructor to assist the various capabilities of a class of 14.
 

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Don’t think they are rushing it mate, probably me being a bit slow on the uptake.
But some of the young uns are very quick.
Very difficult for the instructor to assist the various capabilities of a class of 14.
Don't forget that the younger ones knowledge of maths etc. will still be fresh in their mind. It will come to you as you see the relationship to what you are being taught.
 

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Don’t think they are rushing it mate, probably me being a bit slow on the uptake.
But some of the young uns are very quick.
Very difficult for the instructor to assist the various capabilities of a class of 14.
You will get there mate honestly you will, as others have said you'll always have those in class who seem to get it quicker you, had it in mine where I would still be working it out while others would finish but once it sinks in it does get easier. Best of luck I am sure you'll be fine.
 
Be careful with just remembering a formula letter by letter without knowing the relationships between things. It'll pay dividends to take the time to learn the 'logic' now.

Also, I suspect that the college are using 'modern' ways to teach/explain things. I can't say exactly what I mean, but I often find that 'modern' explanations of things are very confusing to me... when I finally get to the bottom of it, it turns out to be remarkably 'simple' and feel that it could have been explained in a far simpler way.
 

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Thanks to everyone for their encouragement and and advice recently. Just thought I’d let you know I have passed all my theory exams and was especially pleased with the electrical science exam 93% pass.
204 practical assessment tomorrow, only thing I am a little concerned with is the testing on ring final steps.
Been revising it plenty, fingers crossed.
Thanks again
 

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Thanks to everyone for their encouragement and and advice recently. Just thought I’d let you know I have passed all my theory exams and was especially pleased with the electrical science exam 93% pass.
204 practical assessment tomorrow, only thing I am a little concerned with is the testing on ring final steps.
Been revising it plenty, fingers crossed.
Thanks again
Good man....😁
 

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Thanks to everyone for their encouragement and and advice recently. Just thought I’d let you know I have passed all my theory exams and was especially pleased with the electrical science exam 93% pass.
204 practical assessment tomorrow, only thing I am a little concerned with is the testing on ring final steps.
Been revising it plenty, fingers crossed.
Thanks again
Drop @Dan a message and get access to the trainee only area. There's some resources in there and you can post questions and such there if ever you want more detailed feedback.

Congrats btw :)
 

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My most recent apprentice started at 26, so similar age. He found year 2 hard going, a lot of classroom work, design and theory. Stick with it and it will all come good. Ask your employer for help if you can.
And ask anything you want to know on here. There’s many very knowledgeable people who can help. As they say the only dumb question is the one not asked.
 

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I took level 2 at 26 one of the other mature students was 35 and it was only until 2 weeks before we finished the level 2 year that he finally grasped V=IR. Dont sweat it. My first week I was asking what resistance actually was...thinking it was an actual physical thing
 

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I took level 2 at 26 one of the other mature students was 35 and it was only until 2 weeks before we finished the level 2 year that he finally grasped V=IR. Dont sweat it. My first week I was asking what resistance actually was...thinking it was an actual physical thing
rsistance is an actual physical thing. a cooker element is a resistor.it's physical. it provides a path for the current to travel. diss the element and the electrons have nowhere to go. as in they see the nothingness, which by definition is not physical, it's just nothing.
 

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rsistance is an actual physical thing. a cooker element is a resistor.it's physical. it provides a path for the current to travel. diss the element and the electrons have nowhere to go. as in they see the nothingness, which by definition is not physical, it's just nothing.
I'de give the beer a miss tonight Tel if I was you.
 

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As others have said. Get hold of practice questions and use the resources on YouTube. Look up GSH electrical. I’m slightly older than you and have been through a few courses like you. I did A ‘O’ and ‘A’ level maths so was fairly comfortable with manipulating equations. Very obvious though with some of the classes I did that although tutors were experienced sparks, they didn’t understand the science or the maths completely. They had their methods but quite often they ended up confusing the students. Masses of resourses out there. When it come to the exams, get hold of practice questions and get familiar with the style and types. Good luck, you’ll smash it :)
 

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Hi everyone,
Only 3 weeks into my level 2 and yesterday was the first day I have doubts about this course. Why?
It was the first day of science and maths and I have been left totally baffled.
Some of it sank in , but I feel l am already struggling and already lagging behind.
Unless the rest of the class are not admitting to it and I am the only person asking questions. But some are grasping it better than others.
Stayed up till midnight last night trying to make sense of the worksheets .
Made some headway but feeling very despondent this morning.
Can anyone tell me how to access the trainee section ,doesn’t seem very accessible.
Anyway new day today, maybe have a light bulb moment and it will start making sense.
Only 3 weeks in dont worry about it stick at it. Plenty of people here who are willing to help if you have a go at the question we can help you with it. Rome wasn't built in a day as they say
 

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Another thing I'll say is that there was a lad who also struggled with the maths and after just 2 weeks left the electrical course because he found it to challenging....instead he enrolled on the plumbing course.
Is that what you REALLY want??:eek::eek::eek:
 

Thommo

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Another thing I'll say is that there was a lad who also struggled with the maths and after just 2 weeks left the electrical course because he found it to challenging....instead he enrolled on the plumbing course.
Is that what you REALLY want??:eek::eek::eek:
No Mate, stuck to the task and
finished level 2 today . Passed the bay in a day assessment and moving on to 18th edition regs book next week .
Small steps I know, but still happy with which is an achievement for me.
 

Thommo

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Finished and passed 18th edition regs now today started level 3 science.
Been given 6 worksheets on resistance inductance capacitance and impedance in a ac circuit.
Christ I knew it wasn’t going to be easy but this is obviously another level :weary:.
Still trying get on the trainee section, gonna need it me thinks.
Not having much success with anything today.
Resistance and inductance in series has totally done me, many questions for my tutor tomorrow.
BEWARE you clever sods I am going to be begging for help come the weekend. Please tell me if I become a nuisance.
 

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Finished and passed 18th edition regs now today started level 3 science.
Been given 6 worksheets on resistance inductance capacitance and impedance in a ac circuit.
Christ I knew it wasn’t going to be easy but this is obviously another level :weary:.
Still trying get on the trainee section, gonna need it me thinks.
Not having much success with anything today.
Resistance and inductance in series has totally done me, many questions for my tutor tomorrow.
BEWARE you clever sods I am going to be begging for help come the weekend. Please tell me if I become a nuisance.
I'll help where I can 😊
 

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Finished and passed 18th edition regs now today started level 3 science.
Been given 6 worksheets on resistance inductance capacitance and impedance in a ac circuit.
Christ I knew it wasn’t going to be easy but this is obviously another level :weary:.
Still trying get on the trainee section, gonna need it me thinks.
Not having much success with anything today.
Resistance and inductance in series has totally done me, many questions for my tutor tomorrow.
BEWARE you clever sods I am going to be begging for help come the weekend. Please tell me if I become a nuisance.
basically, resistance and inductance both come under the heading of impedence. resistance is a resistance to current flow for both D.C and A.C. inductance only applies to A.C.
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I'de give the beer a miss tonight Tel if I was you.
without beer. life itself is the nothingness. it's intangible, cannot be seen, felt,heard, tasted or drank drunk.
 
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