any body encounter this?

[lurch]

I have been asked to do a consumer unit swap out, but I have not encountered this scenario before. Take a alook at these photos', and if anybody has any answers i would appreciate some pointers. . . . thx in advance

 

[pevvers]

ive seen hundreds of old peoples complexes/flats where there are single sockets in the hall ways. be intrestin to know if this one is

I'll put my money on the fact that it's inside the property. Sometimes you find them outside but it will only have the meter in. Seen them hundreds of times, and always council. Google MK skeleton consumer unit, or similar, and you'll find just the bare bones you need for an instant like for like fit....

 

[cside]

I'll put my money on the fact that it's inside the property. Sometimes you find them outside but it will only have the meter in. Seen them hundreds of times, and always council. Google MK skeleton consumer unit, or similar, and you'll find just the bare bones you need for an instant like for like fit....

i wonderd because we did a load down i bristol where they had had an RCD put in line between fuse and board but was in the meter cupboard outside the property, seemed daft to me.

cheers

 

[Notsosmart]

Common practice in the eighties; ridiculous idea using an RCD as mains isolator.
That is why the IEE inserted regs (16th Edition) & split load boards came into existance; to negate introducing hazards when a fault occurs i.e. downstairs bulb blows, the rcd trips so the upstairs lights are also out, Grandad trips down stairs hurrying to find the main switch. ~ Even worse when it is located outside within a Meter box

My last house was like that, still like it when I sold it though ...What?..."The cobblers children are poorest shod"

 

[lurch]

I'll put my money on the fact that it's inside the property. Sometimes you find them outside but it will only have the meter in. Seen them hundreds of times, and always council. Google MK skeleton consumer unit, or similar, and you'll find just the bare bones you need for an instant like for like fit....

yes it is inside the property and ex council.

the skeleton unit sounds just the job, and although MK have a unit that can be stripped down I am not sure this is the correct one . . . http://www.mkelectric.co.uk/Documents/English/EN MK Catalogue/Sentry.pdf

if any body has a link to the product pevvers is talking about it would be much appreciated. . .thx

 

[bugsy]

I dont think you will fit isolator , 2 rcd's and the breakers in the skeleton unit -- might wrong

 

[Markc]

just make sure both tails are inside the same metal conduit or you will get induced currents in the conduit.

Yep know that and yep got both in.

 

[pevvers]

The actual name of the metal box is a Clifton/Mantel enclosure, and there are MK units available that will fit in them. Looking through the product catalogue, on page 10 found in the link below, you can see the skeleton units, one which has an RCD in it. I reckon quite easily you could use the one RCD to protect half, and RCBO's to protect the other half, or if it's a smallish property I reckon you could fit two RCD's in there and still be able to protect 8 circuits....

Find it here: - Sentry 10 Way Skeleton Unit Loaded [mksentry 6001S] - £111.95 : Fastlec - Selling Brand Name Electrical Products Online, Buy Brand Name Electrical Installation Products Online


Or try this Wylex version: -

Found here: - 10 Way Dual RCD Skeleton Consumer Unit + 100A Mains Switch

 

[sparks1234]

Did one of these recently, had to knock the cupboard about a lot, bit of metalwork going on and had to make room for a main switch board with RCBO's due to the size

 

[sparky692]

As previously stated . made by Wylex and called Mantels. New ones (17th are a doddle to fit.

 

[Jason Smith]

keep those push in wylex MCBS, fabulous for pulgging into the old rewirables when fault finding on another job.

 

[lurch]

thanks to all that added constructive comments to this post !!!!!


Mines a cold one! Ariva derci

 

[gaffer]

The actual name of the metal box is a Clifton/Mantel enclosure, and there are MK units available that will fit in them. Looking through the product catalogue, on page 10 found in the link below, you can see the skeleton units, one which has an RCD in it. I reckon quite easily you could use the one RCD to protect half, and RCBO's to protect the other half, or if it's a smallish property I reckon you could fit two RCD's in there and still be able to protect 8 circuits....

Find it here: - Sentry 10 Way Skeleton Unit Loaded [mksentry 6001S] - £111.95 : Fastlec - Selling Brand Name Electrical Products Online, Buy Brand Name Electrical Installation Products Online


Or try this Wylex version: -

Found here: - 10 Way Dual RCD Skeleton Consumer Unit + 100A Mains Switch

Are those three phase mcbs in there?

 

[barx]

Done a load of them, used the Wylex skeleton replacement above. You have to knock out the shelf that currently makes the bottom of old cu and a couple of the mounting brackets but its very do-able. the shelf/mounts ae spot welded in so attack it at the spots. Also make sure you got either a small hss bit or some tek screws for mounting new skeleton to case.

 

[Notsosmart]

Are those three phase mcbs in there?

Yep; the centre one is definitely, the left hand one may be motor rated perhaps?

3 phase from a single phase board; (in a Paul Daniels Voice) its magic!

 

[gaffer]

A pretty serious fopar by the manufacturer in their marketing photos,lol.
There must be some sort of converter in there to get three phase from a single phase board,I will have to give wylex a ring to find out!

 

[pevvers]

A pretty serious fopar by the manufacturer in their marketing photos,lol.
There must be some sort of converter in there to get three phase from a single phase board,I will have to give wylex a ring to find out!

Maybe they just didn't have enough single phase ones laying about. The one on the left side as you look at it looks like a 3 pole isolator more than an MCB. The one on the right says MCB on it, so I think it will be one of them!

 

[gaffer]

Bet they got loads now,they just recalled them all did'nt they

 

[Sav]

Hi,
I replaced a few of these. Local authority type as mentioned. Go to any good wholesaler and ask for a SKELETON BOARD.
They do them with dual RCD protection as well (split board design).
You wont fit a "normal" type board in there.

Hope this helps,
Sav

 

[jamminuk]

Hi, have been installing new wylex 8way skeletons with RCBOs within these mantel boxs/units and there has been some snags from the housing that the new covers have gaps underneath, i.e. not IP rated. Any ideas on ensuring IP rating as covers provided by wylex do leave gaps along top, bottom and sides, especially where the columns are on either side of the unit.

Thanks

Ben