I have just come back from the pub having enjoyed quite a few pints of a really nice guest ale. I can only imagine that the OP has done likewise on a regular basis. Dave your patience is worthy of some sort of award. Does the OP do this sort of work on a regular basis????
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davesparks
My patience is somewhat binary in its nature, as many around here will have noticed, it's either 0 - saintly or 1 -snapped.
I get the impression he's not been doing it very long
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davesparks
If you want to be picky i suppose, but i would like to think most people knew where i was coming from. Dont suppose your a member of the grammar police aswell are you
Technical accuracy is an essential part of a technical trade such as this, to use incorrect terms suggests a lack of care or knowledge.
Not a member of the grammar police, but using core t terms, units etc etc was somewhat drummed in to me at college studying chemistry, physics and electronics at A level.
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davesparks
If the load profile is such that I think it is worthwhile yes wherever possible I would.
Consider the load profile and portability of an oven versus that of a kettle, one is clearly suited to a plug and socket connection and the other a fixed supply.
That's why you don't put the oven on the RFC isn't it?? So it's not overloaded by the appliances you just mentioned being on it PLUS the oven. Dear me.
Andy, out of interest why is a mixer shower more economical (or reliable for that matter), than an electric? Are you assuming a Combi boiler?
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hightower
For now. ...
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davesparks
In written communication with people I do not know then I would not refer to an IR test as meggering as I know it is not the correct term for it and using it would give the impression that I do not fully understand what I'm talking about.
In a private conversation with someone I do know then I would use many non-standard terms for things.
Well rightly or wrongly im a little different, in that if was communicating with somebody who had a good understanding of electrical installations i may use terminology that isnt quite factually correct. If on a job i asked the apprentice to megger a ring main, for example, he would know what i meant as would most of my colleagues.
The problem with this forum is as clear as day in this thread. Somebody comes on who maybe hasnt got the experience or knowledge as somebody else. And rather than offer any sort of advice or constructive disscussion they prefer to lord it over these people and question their abilitys. Isnt there a place where the more miserable, less tolerant amongst us can hang out and moan to eachother.
The problem with this forum is as clear as day in this thread. Somebody comes on who maybe hasnt got the experience or knowledge as somebody else. And rather than offer any sort of advice or constructive disscussion they prefer to lord it over these people and question their abilitys. Isnt there a place where the more miserable, less tolerant amongst us can hang out and moan to eachother.
part of it is to educate in correct terminology to those who should knw, but maybe through lack of experience don't know, and part is to put off the chancers who should not be let loose with a PP3 battery, let alone 240V. sometimes the OP does not give enough info so the "learned ones" can't tell what his/her level of knowledge is at. stopping now as it's turning into a ramble.
This 'learned one' has since admitted he does occasionally use the wrong terminology as i dare say we all do from time to time. Its just the jump down the throat attitude of some on here, i see it on other threads aswell, maybe best to stick to reading in future. How anyone ever learned from not asking questions though is beyond me
Hi Leep,
I stay well clear of these conversations now as I've had my fair share in the past. In fact the 'negativity' of posts was far far worse a year or so ago. You have to be able to accept that you will get some hostility from some people, you ignore the hostility as best you can and concentrate on the posts that have offered suggestions to you original post as this is all you are interested in isn't it. That way you get a lot of really useful information from this site.
It's rude to mention names, but there is one in this thread who 'you' may feel is being hostile or perhaps unhelpful, but if you can look past that you'll find a lot of very useful information from this member as his knowledge is great. It's not easy as sometimes you may want to tell him he's being a bit of a knob but you can't because he's actually right 97% of the time so you just sit and smile and say thankyou for the useful information
I stay well clear of these conversations now as I've had my fair share in the past. In fact the 'negativity' of posts was far far worse a year or so ago. You have to be able to accept that you will get some hostility from some people, you ignore the hostility as best you can and concentrate on the posts that have offered suggestions to you original post as this is all you are interested in isn't it. That way you get a lot of really useful information from this site.
It's rude to mention names, but there is one in this thread who 'you' may feel is being hostile or perhaps unhelpful, but if you can look past that you'll find a lot of very useful information from this member as his knowledge is great. It's not easy as sometimes you may want to tell him he's being a bit of a knob but you can't because he's actually right 97% of the time so you just sit and smile and say thankyou for the useful information
Hi Leep,
I stay well clear of these conversations now as I've had my fair share in the past. In fact the 'negativity' of posts was far far worse a year or so ago. You have to be able to accept that you will get some hostility from some people, you ignore the hostility as best you can and concentrate on the posts that have offered suggestions to you original post as this is all you are interested in isn't it. That way you get a lot of really useful information from this site.
It's rude to mention names, but there is one in this thread who 'you' may feel is being hostile or perhaps unhelpful, but if you can look past that you'll find a lot of very useful information from this member as his knowledge is great. It's not easy as sometimes you may want to tell him he's being a bit of a knob but you can't because he's actually right 97% of the time so you just sit and smile and say thankyou for the useful information
haha class.. How true.
It's a shame really as there are some really intelligent people on this forum. Sometimes though they do come across as being knobs.... intelligent knobs, but still knobs. Don't get me wrong.... I am no angle in this matter....
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hightower
97% is a very specific number haha. Please tell me you've counted his every post and gone "Helpful, helpful, helpful, WTF, helpful...."
I think written form is hard to interpret a lot of the time, and for all some people come across as abrupt I like to think it wouldn't come across like that if they'd have said it in person. This forum can be a scary place to anyone new and doesn't understand certain members, but when you stick around long enough it's plain to see those 'abrupt' members wouldn't be here unless they didn't enjoy helping other folk. I've never met anyone on here, but I think I have a fair grasp of people's personalities, and I would tailor a question differently depending on which member I think might respond.
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YoungScud
You're kind of acute though, so let's not be obtuse.
When I read my post in most of them can be interpreted as me being abrupt. It's just the way I come across. I don't mean to be.. most of the time. I am very sarcastic as well and that can be interpreted as be being a knob, by some people. As you say hightower, it's easier for us who understand certain members.
The problem with this forum, is that it is supposed to be for electricians. You come on here, ask for advice, then when a very experienced and knowledgeable member tries to offer assistance, you just pick an argument with him. You have demonstrated an obvious lack of knowledge of the regulations and a lack of respect for the "unmentionable" Dave who has tried to help you and correct your errors. What do you expect??
For me, (and I'm new here but not to the trade) if the customer if going to such a full extent of refurb, I would definitely have put in a dedicated 6mm cooker feed. Although not completely future proof the likelihood is that most future changes of cooker can then be accommodated.
Also, using the assumption that being a bungalow and your mention of "the rest of the house" I would have opted for the kitchen ring circuit to be on the other RCD to the house not on the same as you suggest. If an issue appears or any nuisance tripping occurs then they will still have power in one area. To this point I would usually try to put the cooker circuit on a different RCD to the kitchen ring circuit for the same reason, i.e. the cooker isolator socket (if fitted) can still be used if the rest of the kitchen is out. I was also always taught to try to balance the load on a split board, having 2 ring circuits and a cooker on 1 RCD doesn't leave much for the other.
Regarding the shower dilemma, if they fail to give you information or a plan, I would suggest that you take a little more control and tell them what they can have given the supply you decide on.
Its fine you keep moving things because they are in the wrong place and getting paid for it, personally I don't like to work that way, and I appreciate many refurbs have to be a bit flexible but to all the other trades, visitors, guests etc it just looks like the sparky put them in the wrong place.
Hopefully I'm not a cute, obtuse knob!!
Also, using the assumption that being a bungalow and your mention of "the rest of the house" I would have opted for the kitchen ring circuit to be on the other RCD to the house not on the same as you suggest. If an issue appears or any nuisance tripping occurs then they will still have power in one area. To this point I would usually try to put the cooker circuit on a different RCD to the kitchen ring circuit for the same reason, i.e. the cooker isolator socket (if fitted) can still be used if the rest of the kitchen is out. I was also always taught to try to balance the load on a split board, having 2 ring circuits and a cooker on 1 RCD doesn't leave much for the other.
Regarding the shower dilemma, if they fail to give you information or a plan, I would suggest that you take a little more control and tell them what they can have given the supply you decide on.
Its fine you keep moving things because they are in the wrong place and getting paid for it, personally I don't like to work that way, and I appreciate many refurbs have to be a bit flexible but to all the other trades, visitors, guests etc it just looks like the sparky put them in the wrong place.
Hopefully I'm not a cute, obtuse knob!!
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