Dam speed camera van (robbing *******s)

[shanky887614]

obviously, you're so used to copper not being visible, you've got no reason to notice!!!!

I must have seen less than 5 police cars in the last month on the road and I drive past a police station and court!!!

 

[Plonker 3]

Why would they hang round in the same place all the time?

 

[NickD]

there's really (imo) no point. on an 80 mile journey, with no traffic or reason to slow down, would those few minutes (under 10 in my head) you gained really be worth it?

Seconded. People's perception of how much time they save by driving fast is out of all proportion to how much it actually saves. Travelling 10 miles at 60 rather than 70 may feel like driving like granny but actually adds less than a minute and a half journey time. Plus encouraging people to drive at 80 would greatly increase fuel consumption and emissions.

 

[jaypp]

Van is a vauxhall vivaro sportive lwb, was on dual carriageway, same route i do nearly daily, so today done same route at 60mph first van to over take me was a one transit connect with signs on it saying police dogs in transit no blue lights on next van was a vito keeping up with police dog van followed by police riot van..

incase they forgot?

sorry, i'll be off now then!:seeya:

 

[Delboybully]

I had similar speed cam van "hiding " behind a Luton van in a layby, Dual carriage way 40 MPH for 40 years that I knew of, until a few months back they changed it to 30 MPH after owning up to being the driver with no mitigating circumstances allowed. The tiny new signs were not displayed prominently the gun got me for doing 40 MPH not pulled over, some weeks later received a £95 fine plus 3 points, or choose only other option of a national speed awareness curse of £95 which I do this Sat. 3 months after the contrived event. I have it all recorded on my cab CCTV they do not allow me to show how unjust it is, just another revenue tax on my van ?

So you were offered a £95 fine with 3 points or a £95 speed awareness course (ie fine) and no points but a day of your time used up. Seems a no brainer to me, pay the fine and take the points and go and work for the day(i am assuming you have a clean licence at the moment). The money you will earn for a days work will more than pay for any increase in insurance premiums and you wont have to bored out of you nut listening to someone banging on all day about how you have been a bad boy because you drove a little over the limit.

I have always been under the impression that most insurance companies dont increase premiums for 1 speeding conviction, in which case, take the points and dont get caught again until the points are gone from your license.

I wish the police put as much effort into catching burglars etc that they do into catching speeders. The difference being it is easier to catch speeders and when they are caught they plead guilty (ie take the fine) instead of going the hole hog with court cases. The fixed penalty fines for speeding motorists are just a money making exercise in my opinion. Luckily I havn't been done for over 10 years although I have had a few close ones in that time.
Not that I ever speed

 

[NickD]

I wish the police put as much effort into catching burglars etc that they do into catching speeders.

Burglars rarely kill people. Speeding drivers frequently do. Ten deaths a day on UK roads still, excessive speed being a massive factor in those. I'd rather a hundred burglaries go unprevented than the death of a child go unprevented.

 

[Adam W]

Seconded. People's perception of how much time they save by driving fast is out of all proportion to how much it actually saves. Travelling 10 miles at 60 rather than 70 may feel like driving like granny but actually adds less than a minute and a half journey time. Plus encouraging people to drive at 80 would greatly increase fuel consumption and emissions.

Time = Distance ÷ speed
Therefore if you increase the speed while the distance remains constant, the time decreases.

I got 'caught' doing 60 on a dual carriageway where the speed limit had been reduced to 50, thereby making me a 'speeding motorist'. If the speed limit were put back to the national speed limit (70mph) then myself and many other motorists wouldn't have been speeding, reducing the number of speeding motorists.

Remember speed in itself doesn't kill, it's coming to a sudden stop which kills - driving fast on a straight, open road without distractions such as unnecessary signage is perfectly safe.
I would like to know how many deaths have been prevented by the speed camera I was caught by compared with how many deaths it has caused (1 documented):
Motorcyclist?s death on Spur Road linked to speed camera (From Bournemouth Echo)

 

[Badged01]

Burglars rarely kill people. Speeding drivers frequently do. Ten deaths a day on UK roads still, excessive speed being a massive factor in those. I'd rather a hundred burglaries go unprevented than the death of a child go unprevented.

True but I could understand if they were placing their speeding cameras in areas where they could be usefully productive in preventing accidents rather than being usefully productive in areas where they can get easy fines! I dont think I've ever seen any speed cameras anywhere near schools etc.....!

 

[Plonker 3]

I would like to know how many deaths have been prevented by the speed camera I was caught by compared with how many deaths it has caused (1 documented):
Motorcyclist?s death on Spur Road linked to speed camera (From Bournemouth Echo)

If you read the story rather than say the speed camera "killed" him, you will see that he was actually speeding which made him brake hard. Stick to the speed limit and he wouldn't have been killed.

 

[Plonker 3]

True but I could understand if they were placing their speeding cameras in areas where they could be usefully productive in preventing accidents rather than being usefully productive in areas where they can get easy fines! I dont think I've ever seen any speed cameras anywhere near schools etc.....!

There was actually one at a school local to me the other day, which was there when the children were coming out of school.

 

[Adam W]

If you read the story rather than say the speed camera "killed" him, you will see that he was actually speeding which made him brake hard. Stick to the speed limit and he wouldn't have been killed.

It wasn't his speed that made him brake hard, it was the presence of the camera van. If the camera van wasn't there he wouldn't have braked hard and would still be alive.
Motorists should be looking at what's going on in the road, not what's lurking at the side of it.

 

[Plonker 3]

Exactly, he was nearly 30 mph over the limit. Plenty of signs along all roads telling you the limit. If you are unsure slow down until you see one that does tell the speed. 70 mph is the top road limit in this country and he was exceeding that too. So would have been well aware of what he was doing.

 

[Guest111]

Speed is fine when used in the right time and place,ie appropriate for the road conditions,weather and a drivers ability,unfortunately many drivers take no heed of these factors,people speed along unfamiliar roads they drive at speed in bad weather and along roads were it's simply not safe to do so.Many years ago I was trained in high speed driving,we learned how to take bends at speed and stay on the correct side of the road,how to handle skids and a great many other things besides,I have taken bends at higher speeds than others who have had crashes on the same bend doing far less,also vehicle maintenance pays an important factor,you cannot expect your vehicle to stop in a safe distance if the tyres and brakes are not maintained.There was a lad who I used to work with who'd quite happily drive at 60 or 70 mph in a built up area and didn't see a problem with it,the same guy was panicking like hell when I took him on a ride at over 100 mph on an appropriate stretch of road in an appropriate vehicle.

 

[Knobhead]

Sorry, I’ve no sympathy with anyone that gets caught speeding especially the ones that complain afterwards.

 

[Spoon]

Sorry, I’ve no sympathy with anyone that gets caught speeding especially the ones that complain afterwards.

About time!!! Well done Tony...
What is it with people who make up their own rules about speeding. Clear road, no-one around, early in the morning.... make up all the excuses you want you are still speeding. Id have speed cameras on each set of traffic lights. Fine everyone until we get rid of this stupid idea thats its ok to speed.
Do you have the same outlook on your work. Cut corners, go against the regs, use 1.5mm when 2.5mm should be used, just to save money....

 

[Guest111]

About time!!! Well done Tony...
What is it with people who make up their own rules about speeding. Clear road, no-one around, early in the morning.... make up all the excuses you want you are still speeding. Id have speed cameras on each set of traffic lights. Fine everyone until we get rid of this stupid idea thats its ok to speed.
Do you have the same outlook on your work. Cut corners, go against the regs, use 1.5mm when 2.5mm should be used, just to save money....

Don't get me started on camera's on traffic lights! I had a woman run into the back of me after I stopped for a red light on the East lancs road,then had the cheek to say the accident was my fault for NOT running a red light when she was up my rear end.

 

[Robotstar5]

I had a woman run into the back of me after I stopped for a red light on the East lancs road,then had the cheek to say the accident was my fault for NOT running a red light when she was up my rear end.

I had the same when a mate ran into the back of me when we were on motorbikes. I got pushed forward then his riderless bike appeared on my left and fell over while he rolled past me on my right. I thought it was quite funny, he didn't

 

[Spoon]

A lot of people dont agree with me when I say that we should have cameras on every traffic light... too extreme...
Apparently also fitting police helicopters with guns ( so when chasing criminals in cars they can put a round in the engine, wait will the car slows down and then put a few rounds in the driver seat ) is classed as "too extreme" They will only have a few cases before everyone stops straight away.

 

[Guest111]

I had the same when a mate ran into the back of me when we were on motorbikes. I got pushed forward then his riderless bike appeared on my left and fell over while he rolled past me on my right. I thought it was quite funny, he didn't

this woman wasn't laughing,she tore the full front of her car,but the best bit was it wasn't hers it was her boyfriends.

 

[Badged01]

... too extreme...Apparently also fitting police helicopters with guns ( so when chasing criminals in cars they can put a round in the engine, wait will the car slows down and then put a few rounds in the driver seat ) is classed as "too extreme" .....

That is a bit extreme but I could go with your suggestion but only if before the go around using them guns on the public they are qualified in there use by first doing some test firing and alignment practicing outside local signing-on centres ....

 

[Spoon]

That is a bit extreme but I could go with your suggestion but only if before the go around using them guns on the public they are qualified in there use by first doing some test firing and alignment practicing outside local signing-on centres ....

I was thinking of having the gun automated. Picking the engine through the heat source. Just have to worry about left or right side driving seats. Quite a few foreign cars on our street. Need to take out the driver and not the passenger. Sometimes the passenger is innocent.

 

[egg67]

I used to speed all the time, nothing like doing 150mph on two wheels but did it on race tracks when on roads always stay to speed limit, never had points and spent 6 mouths driving 7.5 tone lorry around London and surrey delving donuts just learnt what speed limit applied to vehicle driving at time, do not think there is a bit leeway as its up to the person thats nicking you do fell sorry for when you get a ticket in a 60 when doing 61

 

[Guest111]

I used to speed all the time, nothing like doing 150mph on two wheels but did it on race tracks when on roads always stay to speed limit, never had points and spent 6 mouths driving 7.5 tone lorry around London and surrey delving donuts just learnt what speed limit applied to vehicle driving at time, do not think there is a bit leeway as its up to the person thats nicking you do fell sorry for when you get a ticket in a 60 when doing 61

That's precisely it, I know certain coppers who haven't got a problem with high speeds on quiet motorways in good weather,I also know some who'll stop you and give you a warning if you're not doing really daft speeds,then again I know others who'll nick you for a couple of mile over the limit,There was one who did me once,a quiet road and I thought it was a 40 when in fact it was a 30,late at night not a soul about,I thought he was a right git until I was talking to another copper who knew him and apparently he'd nearly lost his foot in an accident involving a speeding motorist.

 

[Spoon]

The police are the people who have to go and sort things out when there are crashes due to people speeding. They have to go to someones house and tell them that their son, daughter, wife was been killed cause of a speeding motorist hit them. I couldnt do that. They have to see all the pain these people cause. Dont get at the police for stopping people speeding, get at the scum who speed.

 

[Badged01]

Dont get at the police for stopping people speeding, get at the scum who speed.

I think thats the problem with the image the police have. Everyone knows someone who has been done for 32 in a 30 zone or seen the speed van covertly tucked away ready to 'snap' the driver on the stretch of road where the speed limit changes suddenly!

Then they see in the news, this burgled, that robbed, someone raped etc ... and no-one is caught or prosecuted. It gives the impression (right or wrong) that the police are more set on punishing the motorist for finacial gain than sorting out the other issues!

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...... and perception then becomes reality!

 

[Spoon]

I think thats the problem with the image the police have. Everyone knows someone who has been done for 32 in a 30 zone or seen the speed van covertly tucked away ready to 'snap' the driver on the stretch of road where the speed limit changes suddenly!

Then they see in the news, this burgled, that robbed, someone raped etc ... and no-one is caught or prosecuted. It gives the impression (right or wrong) that the police are more set on punishing the motorist for finacial gain than sorting out the other issues!

- - - Updated - - -

...... and perception then becomes reality!

Thats the news for you, like to spread bad news and as for the people bleating on about police hiding their vans and other rubbish excuses they come up with then the simple fact is, if you are not speeding then you wont get fined.

 

[Badged01]

..... the simple fact is, if you are not speeding then you wont get fined.

Thats true! Ive always wondered though should everybody keep to speed limits would the police (or whoever pays) still keep shelling out money for upkeeping the static speed cameras and paying the costs for the man & his van in the layby. They are there as a safety precaution and deterrents as well im told, so it would be interesting to see if they still kept them or would the loss of revenue soon have them gone?

Unfortunately we will never know as there will always be speeders but not me ..... my licence has been squeeky clean for 25+ years of undetected crime!

 

[Spoon]

As you say Badged, we will never know. People dont think speeding is bad.. same as people going through red lights. There are always ----ers about that will come up with any excuse. No one about.. late at night... The thicko's dont seem to realise that these rules are for their own good as well. Going 50 in a 30 at midnight and no-one is around and hit a pot-hole. Car swerves and hits a wall killing the driver. Im not a nice man in this respect cause I have a similar thought for people who drink and drive. If they snuff it cause of their actions then I dont care, just one more off the street. At least its them rather than some innocent person.

 

[Knobhead]

I’ll admit to jumping red lights and doing 60+ in a 30 zone at 02:00.

The wife was in labour on the back seat of the car.

Got stopped, I pointed to the back seat, we had a police escort after that. Four minutes after arriving at the hospital I was holding my son. The police even parked the car and brought me the keys.

 

[NickD]

speed in itself doesn't kill, it's coming to a sudden stop which kills

But you can't some to a sudden stop (sudden enough for Isaac Newton to hurt you, anyway) unless you are doing a speed, and the higher the speed the more sudden the stop. That's like pointing out that technically speaking it's not the jumping off the multistorey car park that kills you.

 

[NickD]

If you read the story rather than say the speed camera "killed" him, you will see that he was actually speeding which made him brake hard. Stick to the speed limit and he wouldn't have been killed.

If he was doing 30mph over the speed limit and a car which couldn't have seen him coming pulled out, causing him to break and crash, would it be the car's fault?

 

[NickD]

The police are the people who have to go and sort things out when there are crashes due to people speeding. They have to go to someones house and tell them that their son, daughter, wife was been killed cause of a speeding motorist hit them. I couldnt do that. They have to see all the pain these people cause. Dont get at the police for stopping people speeding.

People are all in favour of tough zero tolerance policing, right up to the point where it's their offence the police have zero tolerance for...

 

[Guest111]

People are all in favour of tough zero tolerance policing, right up to the point where it's their offence the police have zero tolerance for...

I always said that if I was done for speeding by a police car following me then I should be done for driving without due care simply because if I was paying proper attention I'd have seen him come up behind me.I'd be more worried about my standards of driving slipping than getting a ticket.

 

[NickD]

I always said that if I was done for speeding by a police car following me then I should be done for driving without due care simply because if I was paying proper attention I'd have seen him come up behind me.

Even more so if you speed past a fixed speed camera which is a) signposted in advance and b) luminous DayGlo yellow. Miss that and you can certainly miss a sign saying SCHOOL and a child in a grey school uniform.

 

[Badged01]

People are all in favour of tough zero tolerance policing, right up to the point where it's their offence the police have zero tolerance for...

Bit like working for Brits living in Spain!. The all like the "manyana" lifestyle until it comes to having some done for them. Then it needs to be done immediately and to what they expected in the UK ........

 

[Adam W]

But you can't some to a sudden stop (sudden enough for Isaac Newton to hurt you, anyway) unless you are doing a speed, and the higher the speed the more sudden the stop. That's like pointing out that technically speaking it's not the jumping off the multistorey car park that kills you.

Yes the trick is to avoid the sudden stop altogether, such as being able to identify a hazard and adjust the speed accordingly; being distracted by people lurking in the bushes doesn't help that.
Jumping out of an aeroplane is perfectly safe provided the parachute opens, but if it doesn't the person will be killed. Does this mean jumping out of aeroplanes for recreational reasons be banned just in case?

 

[Badged01]

Does this mean jumping out of aeroplanes for recreational reasons be banned just in case?

Of course, why would you want to leave a perfectly serviceable aircraft?

 

[Adam W]

If he was doing 30mph over the speed limit and a car which couldn't have seen him coming pulled out, causing him to break and crash, would it be the car's fault?

"Pulled out" from where exactly? Whatever arguments are used for not driving above 50mph on that stretch of road could be applied to further up the road where the speed limit is 70mph; who is to say that driving at 70mph is safe one minute but dangerous the next while under the same conditions?

 

[Plonker 3]

It's not, that is the maximum permitted speed. Doesn't mean you have to drive at that speed.

 

[Adam W]

I’ll admit to jumping red lights and doing 60+ in a 30 zone at 02:00.

The wife was in labour on the back seat of the car.

Got stopped, I pointed to the back seat, we had a police escort after that. Four minutes after arriving at the hospital I was holding my son. The police even parked the car and brought me the keys.

All good and well if you're stopped by a human policeman, but had you been snapped by a 'safety' camera you could have lost your licence - "rules are rules" after all.