EF's referendum on the EU.

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EF's referendum on the EU.

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IN or OUT of the EU

  • IN

    Votes: 7 16.7%

  • OUT

    Votes: 35 83.3%
  • Total voters
    42
Our country needs to get back to taking responsibility for our own internal affairs and not sub contracting our democracy to a distant entity.
I'd like to see the UK government focus some of the money saved from leaving the EU on developing the most deprived areas of the UK in England, Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales.
I'd like to see more celebration in the media about the constituent elements of the UK, what makes us a great island nation, respected around the world.
UK history needs to be better taught in schools.
I'd like to see more respect between constituent elements of the UK.
More collective cooperation, less infighting and people griping.
I'd like our government to put limits on immigration from Poland, Pakistan, Bangladesh and India.
I'd like our benefits system to change, so that people coming to the UK can only receive benefits after contributing to our system for x number of years.
I'd like our government to put an upper limit on how much money UK individuals / families can claim from the state.
There are too many home grown parasites, taking advantage of our system.
We should stop promoting foreign nationals with large families to the top of the housing list.
Everyone should be treated equally and have to join the same housing list on a first come, first served basis.
I'd like our government to take deposits from foreign students entering the UK- to be returned on graduation.
Individuals choosing to not study - caught working, could be removed from the country and their deposits retained.
I'd like our goverment to incentivise work.
People out of work should be allowed to transition from benefits into work, with their benefits removed after a period of employment.
People have been taught to expect things for free, in preference to earn the right to gain things.
Foreign individuals commiting serious crimes should loose the right to stay in our country.
People shouldn't gain the automatic right to stay in our country by having children on our soil.
There should be a clear path to help foreign nationals integrate and progressively earn the right to citizenship.
 
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Vegelen said:
UK history needs to be better taught in schools.
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Imagine getting taken away from your parents to be forced to learn another language, then coming back 20 years later when you had been "tamed" to find out that your mum and dad had been run through/hanged and your brother and sister had been "Barbadoed" and the family home torched.......that's why history is only glanced over in schools......
 
Is everyone trying to upstage on word count alone lol .... been some of the most extensive posts on this issue and TBH had a good time shuffling my opinion in there as well as reading others for or against..:smug:
 
the sooner we vout " OUT", the sooner these lengthy posts will end.
 
We're all getting humped and pumped just like a cheap stuffed toy won at a summer fair by a Belgian poodle anyway.....one of those queer ones with a big pink bow called fee fee sparticus sparky the third or something like that...
 
i have to say, there have been some marvellous posts on this subject - from both sides of the debate. i think des deserves a lot of credit for keeping this thread going. i don't agree with his politics, but i've enjoyed reading his arguments.
 
Maybe Ed Milliband needs to read this thread and then reconsider his "no to a referendum" statement on Wednesday"

That said he's such a kid, lord knows what would happen if that millionaire gets to be PM
 
darkwood said:
high unemployent at over 50% for young adults in spain is mainly well educated and skilled people ... now germany is encouraging them to influx into germany and giving them german lessons to work there uhmmm! its nice to pick and choose your immigration so you only attract well educated and skilled work force this is a country trying to build a protective wall of skilled industry ;)
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Excerpt from a recent currency traders report:

"Even though the Eurozone-wide results still showed output decreasing, the important thing for traders was that the figure was moving in the right direction, which added weight to the recent spate of claims that the worst of the debt crisis is over. Having said that the gap between the German and French, the 17-nation bloc’s largest and second largest, economies stretched to an unprecedented level, suggesting that more needs to be done to balance out labour market competitiveness, even in the Eurozone’s inner-most core."

So to reiterate my point. If you have a single currency with one set of interest rates, set by a European institution largely influenced by Germany and France, the variable european wide interest rates will benefit one country more than another, as many countries will be at different stages in the economic cycle.
The above report is saying a number of things we've been saying in this forum.
The German economy is outperforming all others including France and the difference between the 2 economies is growing. Unemployed workers are flowing towards the more successful economies with employment, creating a larger economic gap between the haves and the have nots.
Fortune favours the most powerful, not the brave.
 
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Thought I better delete my post as I just saw 3 plod coming this way with the wrong uniform and a dodgy spelling mistake on the car...said polezie on it......think they have gone away now.... :(
 
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Excerpt from a recent currency traders report:

"Even though the Eurozone-wide results still showed output decreasing, the important thing for traders was that the figure was moving in the right direction, which added weight to the recent spate of claims that the worst of the debt crisis is over. Having said that the gap between the German and French, the 17-nation bloc’s largest and second largest, economies stretched to an unprecedented level, suggesting that more needs to be done to balance out labour market competitiveness, even in the Eurozone’s inner-most core."

So to reiterate my point. If you have a single currency with one set of interest rates, set by a European institution largely influenced by Germany and France, the variable european wide interest rates will benefit one country more than another, as many countries will be at different stages in the economic cycle.
The above report is saying a number of things we've been saying in this forum.
The German economy is outperforming all others including France and the difference between the 2 economies is growing. Unemployed workers are flowing towards the more successful economies with employment, creating a larger economic gap between the haves and the have nots.
Fortune favours the most powerful, not the brave.
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So the Germans continue to benefit from the "weaker" Euro. If they still had their own currency their exports would be more expensive.

The Euro continues to help the strong and hinder the poor. Not sure this is what was intended.
 
It costs us a fortune, and we end up with all the s*** coming here, we are the mugs of europe, if the dross from other countries thought any different they would stop at another country and not come here, although i do understand why they try to get out of France. It is time we put up the "CLOSED UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE" sign up.

Cheers...........Howard
 
The EU parliment reminds me of a group of people on a bar crawl, with the collective obliged to buy drinks.
In the end you end up buying more than you consume, left with a sinking feeling / empty wallet realising you've been taken advantage of.
Instinct telling you not to repeat the same mistake again.
Until the process repeats itself the following week - followed by an even greater sense of regret.
Until the day you mature and gain the strength to say "No more follow my leader" - its time to go it alone.
 
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Vegelen said:
The EU parliment reminds me of a group of people on a bar crawl, with the collective obliged to buy drinks.
In the end you end up buying more than you consume, left with a sinking feeling / empty wallet realising you've been taken advantage of.
Instinct telling you not to repeat the same mistake again.
Until the process repeats itself the following week - followed by an even greater sense of regret.
Until the day you mature and gain the strength to say "No more follow my leader" - its time to go it alone.
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its called socialism, that is what the aim of the EU is. Rich get shafted for ever
 
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