EICR downgraded by Landlord’s Agent from C2 to C3

[LauraCanning]

has this company been informed of this?
How are they changing the certificate? Striking out what they don't like and writing in their version or producing a new certificate?
Who's signature is on the revised document, and are they aware of it?

No one has actually amended the certificate. The agent emailed me and said the C2s aren’t correct so they’ve downgraded. No new paperwork has been issued.

 

[nicebutdim]

It doesn't really matter what other parties think you have a Report with Code 2 issues and they need addressing.

Surely the only way the opinion of other 'electrical experts' would be relevant, is if they carried out their own inspection and issued a new report?

 

[LauraCanning]

Surely the only way the opinion of other 'electrical experts' would be relevant, is if they carried out their own inspection and issued a new report?

That’s exactly what I thought!

 

[Vortigern]

What does the electrician who issued the EICR think of this novel "downgrading"? I must say if I received news such as that as an issuer I would take it up with the local building control.

 

[LauraCanning]

What does the electrician who issued the EICR think of this novel "downgrading"? I must say if I received news such as that as an issuer I would take it up with the local building control.

Unfortunately I have no way of contacting the original electrician. I would if I could!

 

[brianmoooore]

Isn't the tenant supposed to get a copy of the EICR?

 

[LauraCanning]

Isn't the tenant supposed to get a copy of the EICR?

Yes I have a copy of the EICR but I have no contact details for the individual

 

[brianmoooore]

If you have the full EICR, they should all be on there.
How many pages do you have?

 

[LauraCanning]

If you have the full EICR, they should all be on there.

Sadly it just says the company name which employs a large number of electricians so I am unable to speak to the individual.

 

[littlespark]

Sadly it just says the company name which employs a large number of electricians so I am unable to speak to the individual.

Well, you go to the company. They will know which electrician was sent to your property.

 

[brianmoooore]

I take it this is the company that issued the original and not the 'modified' version.
There should be a signature there, but I'm sure that the company would be interested to know that someone is changing the certs that they issued and put their signature to.

 

[nicebutdim]

I take it this is the company that issued the original and not the 'modified' version.
There should be a signature there, but I'm sure that the company would be interested to know that someone is changing the certs that they issued and put their signature to.

OP stated that cert hasn't been changed. The issue is a management company deciding that advice from their own electrical experts means no action needs to be taken in regard to the report's findings.

 

[LauraCanning]

Well, you go to the company. They will know which electrician was sent to your property.

My issue isn’t with the individual that carried out the EICR

 

[brianmoooore]

If that's the case, the letting agencies 'experts' should perform another EICR to supersede the existing one.

 

[LauraCanning]

I take it this is the company that issued the original and not the 'modified' version.
There should be a signature there, but I'm sure that the company would be interested to know that someone is changing the certs that they issued and put their signature to.

They haven’t actually amended the certificate. They have just said they won’t action the issues.

 

[nicebutdim]

They haven’t actually amended the certificate. They have just said they won’t action the issues.

Might be worth speaking to citizen's advice as I can't see them having a leg to stand on without paying for another report.

 

[brianmoooore]

The other acceptable alternative would be for the letting agents electrical experts to contact the original firm and to argue it out with them, to try to get them to amend the certificate. We all know that no two testers will come up with identical EICRs, so if the agent thinks the C2s should be C3s, then they should convince the original tester.

 

[Deleted account]

My issue isn’t with the individual that carried out the EICR

I know it’s not.

But if I issued or I was the owner of a company than one of my employees issue an EICR and had someone state it is wrong and refused to rectify the issues i would want to know.

I would be a bit miffed. I’d have strong words with letting agent and then report them to local building control / authority.

id remind them the max fine for this is now £30,000.00.

 

[Timbo]

I think BPG 4 suggests a C2 for this.
The regs have required this for nearly 15 years now, much longer than the requirement for domestic lighting circuits to have rcd protection (which bpg 4 suggests is a C3) so the two things aren’t entirely equal in one sense.

15th Edition 1981, Amended June 1987.
Reg 471-47. 35 years.

 

[Mike Johnson]

They haven’t actually amended the certificate. They have just said they won’t action the issues.

Have they said this in writing, if so ask when they will be issuing the revised EICR, because at the moment you have an EICR that requires remedial action within 28days of its issue date, if they refuse your next port of call is building control.