Help: I am 15th edition IEE Regs what are my restrictions

[bezzy]

Hi,, I qualified to 15th edition IEE regs some 28 yrs ago. I then left the trade. I kept my hand in by doing foreigners and of course all electrical work on my own properties. I would class myself as competent and safe. I was wondering what restrictions there are on any work I can do, for example a friend of mine has asked me to install a ring main and lighting circuit in a new extension. Am I allowed to do this.

Thanks, Steve

 

[polo1]

Guess the question must be.....have you read and understood the 17th Edition Amd 3 and will your work comply with these regs? If so, crack on in my humble opinion!

 

[Octopus]

How do you plan to deal with part P? Does your friend need a completion certificate from.labc?

 

[bezzy]

To be honest,no. I havent read anything to do with 17th edition. Should I ?

Thanks for you reply
Steve

 

[bezzy]

I assume with you mentioning that,he will need one.
Thanks
Steve

 

[Darkwood]

Since the 15th the reg's are almost unrecognisable, you say you do the odd govy job but are you saying this is up to modern regulations or what you learnt back then. If you have no knowledge of the 17th then you are probably breaching many regulations, competence over the actual practical understanding of getting the wires from A to B hasn't changed but the regulations covering it has.
You could do your work and get someone to sign it off but many out there won't do this for you, and if your trained to the 15th then your work probably won't comply unless you have kept up.

 

[sparksburnout]

This is a wind up right?

 

[Adam W]

You can't be installing to the current version of BS7671 if your knowledge of the document is 2 editions out of date.
IMO you're looking at the full 17th edition exam, and most likely joining a competent persons' scheme to be able to self-certify your work.

 

[bezzy]

What part of this serious question leads you to believe its a wind up!!!

 

[bezzy]

I appreciate your reply. Looks like Im going to have to find a course to do. to re qualify

Thanks
Steve

 

[Simonslimline]

I appreciate your reply. Looks like Im going to have to find a course to do. to re qualify

Thanks
Steve

You certainly don't need to re qualify!

Just get a copy of BS7671 AMD3 and read it. :book:

 

[bezzy]

I shall do that. Thanks very much for your help.

Steve

 

[DuaneMHunt1976]

The new circuit would mean cert, so ££ to a niceic/Napit or government planning
Also would have to be insurance, unless you do the government or 3rd party way of testing for thr cert

 

[telectrix]

1st thing you'll learn is not to bond metal window frames.:59:

 

[Marvo]

This is a wind up right?

To be honest,no. I havent read anything to do with 17th edition. Should I ?

Thanks for you reply
Steve

I'm guessing that statement prompted the question about it being a wind-up. It would be pretty obvious even to a non-sparky that you should be working to the latest regs.

 

[Deleted member 72666]

Originally Posted by sparksburnout
This is a wind up right?

Originally Posted by bezzy
To be honest,no. I havent read anything to do with 17th edition. Should I ?

Thanks for you reply
Steve

I'm guessing that statement prompted the question about it being a wind-up. It would be pretty obvious even to a non-sparky that you should be working to the latest regs.





It was that last statement that I almost spat out my coffee!​

 

[bezzy]

Your probably right. Ill get the book. Im sure it will all come back to me. I think long term If I want to get back into the game Ill have to sit the exam and take a testing course.
Thanks

 

[Octopus]

I note you ignored my comment about Part P!

 

[Geordie Spark]

I note you ignored my comment about Part P!

Part P should be ignored.

 

[Spoon]

Hi Bezzy,
I think people are trying to say "Get an electrician in to do the job"
Please read Murdoch's post #3 and reply.

 

[Octopus]

Hi Bezzy,
I think people are trying to say "Get an electrician in to do the job"
Please read Murdoch's post #3 and reply.

Not sure I agree with you on this... if he's up to date and can convince a scam or LABC that he is competent then it should be covered ........ but really and truly ....... 15th qualified and expecting to sign off 17th AMD3 installs ...... got to be a p take.

Then there's the small matter of a calibrated tester..... they are not cheap.........


so, so, so many unanswered questions

 

[Adam W]

Hi Bezzy,
I think people are trying to say "Get an electrician in to do the job"
Please read Murdoch's post #3 and reply.

I don't think anyone was saying that. If someone is competent at electrical work then there's no reason why they can't do a regs course to get back up to speed with the current edition, then either apply for scheme membership if they plan on doing a lot of work or go through LABC to notify jobs.

 

[Spoon]

Not sure I agree with you on this... if he's up to date and can convince a scam or LABC that he is competent then it should be covered ........ but really and truly ....... 15th qualified and expecting to sign off 17th AMD3 installs ...... got to be a p take.

This is a new circuit and needs doing to current regs. The OP is asking if he should read the current regs..... Most people would think it's obvious. Therefore my comment about getting in an electrician. It may be me and the way I read his posts.

 

[telectrix]

Part P should be ignored.

part who?

 

[Octopus]

Part P should be ignored.

Isn't that down to the LABC? If the extension is being done with planning permission then a completion certificate would require the appropriate certificate!

 

[sparksburnout]

What part of this serious question leads you to believe its a wind up!!!

OK try these parts:
1. "I qualified to 15th edition IEE regs some 28 yrs ago. I then left the trade." And have no idea of the changes made since
2. " I kept my hand in by doing foreigners and of course all electrical work on my own properties" Yeah fine, just take work off proper sparks who have done everything by the book including forking out on courses, equipment and assessments
3. "I would class myself as competent and safe" Well fortunately for the general public it ain't up to you, you are supposed to follow the rules that most of the rest of us have to
4. "I was wondering what restrictions there are on any work I can do" Yeah, it is supposed to be to the current regulations, of which you clearly have no knowledge, or care
5."a friend of mine has asked me to install a ring main" A what??
6."Am I allowed to do this." Probably not, I would guess.

Like I said, a wind up.

 

[PEG]

...A box of lead-tag cable clips,a roll of fuse wire,and a drop of oil on that Megger handle...i think he may be good to go :heart:

To the OP,not current,does NOT mean,not capable. The "current" part,however,is never the less,vital.

 

[GETWIRED]

I see it as two options, either sit your exam so you know youre up to speed or very least buy the bible and study it. Ive not looked this up in the ammendment but from what i looked into a few years ago, as long as your work complies, good workmanship, you issue paperwork with every bit of notifiable work, are insured, you didnt need to be with a scheme. Personally i would get my 17th but Whatever you choose to do mate, good luck.

 

[R Mark Clayton]

1st thing you'll learn is not to bond metal window frames.:59:

Really? A team of plumbers in France nearly killed me when their extension lead got caught in an aluminium door and it was not bonded. If I had not known what was happening to me and thrown my body to get my hand off the door handle they would probably have succeeded!

 

[PS Electrics]

Really? A team of plumbers in France nearly killed me when their extension lead got caught in an aluminium door and it was not bonded. If I had not known what was happening to me and thrown my body to get my hand off the door handle they would probably have succeeded!

Since your profile is DIY you may or may not know that is a joke

The OPs last involvement in the trade was the 15th Edition Regs which famously or is it infamously! required practically every and any bit of metal work in a building to be bonded.

 

[7029 dave]

Since your profile is DIY you may or may not know that is a joke

The OPs last involvement in the trade was the 15th Edition Regs which famously or is it infamously! required practically every and any bit of metal work in a building to be bonded.

Yeah if you stood still long enough, you would be getting a Tenby earth strap round your ankles