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Agree with Plugsandsparks.
No organisation or Government has got close to meeting a target they've set or has been set for them.

Not so Smart Meters being the best example.
High speed broadband for everyone (or the majority) in the U.K, not a chance.
Elun Misk with have his Broadband global network of tens of thousands of satellites up and running his before the U.K get's all Fibre.
Just hope they don't catch fire like his cars do.
Strange how the Yanks don't trust the Chinese and Huawei, but will be trusting Misk with his background.
 
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I had fibre to the house installed yesterday and it works really well. However there is a box the fibre terminates into then a patch lead to the router both need a 13A socket and all the old copper has been retained as the exchange is not fibre ready for the telephone part of it. I am just glad that it is all in a cupboard and not in a corner of the living room. On that basis if I was wiring a new house now I would try and put the master socket in a cupboard.
Its a really good point. Commercial clients who have enjoyed Fibre direct for decades have been able to get BT to route the fibre directly into a comms room or computer room, where power is available. Obviously ( or possibly not for Joe Public) fibre has to be lit and this needs power. Traditionally with Fibre cables there is no power within the cable, it has to be provided locally. More work for sparkies, lol
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Agree with Plugsandsparks.
No organisation or Government has got close to meeting a target they've set or has been set for them.

Not so Smart Meters being the best example.
High speed broadband for everyone (or the majority) in the U.K, not a chance.
Elun Misk with have his Broadband global network of tens of thousands of satellites up and running his before the U.K get's all Fibre.
Just hope they don't catch fire like his cars do.
Strange how the Yanks don't trust the Chinese and Huawei, but will be trusting Misk with his background.
I worked for BT for over 20 years on and off, started in 1986 when BT first started out rolling out fibre and going digital, my job then in 1986, was getting it into MNCs and Cellular Towers. When the big bang came along we simply could not keep up with demand and we had 240,000 employees. Over the years watched BT wrestle with government, wrestle with its balance sheet and today it does not have two half pennies to rub together. Getting fibre to a street cabinet was challenging but now we do have "superfast broadband" - great stuff. Getting fibre to each home is several orders of magnitude harder, more expensive and costly.... Good Luck BT
 
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Its a really good point. Commercial clients who have enjoyed Fibre direct for decades have been able to get BT to route the fibre directly into a comms room or computer room, where power is available. Obviously ( or possibly not for Joe Public) fibre has to be lit and this needs power. Traditionally with Fibre cables there is no power within the cable, it has to be provided locally. More work for sparkies, lol
TBH it was difficult to get any info from BT they were working on the basis that I was a stupid customer and their wonderful engineer would fix every thing, I didn't even know if I was getting fibre to the cabinet or to the home until the guy arrived. Then there was the issue of an extra socket, I gave him an extension and wired a socket last night, no problem to a spark but for Joe Public? The next issue was that he was not allowed in the attic due to covid!! so he was going to clip a cable all around the house, so I ended up in the attic pulling the fibre in for him, at least he was flexible and would come and go.
 

davesparks

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Its a really good point. Commercial clients who have enjoyed Fibre direct for decades have been able to get BT to route the fibre directly into a comms room or computer room, where power is available. Obviously ( or possibly not for Joe Public) fibre has to be lit and this needs power. Traditionally with Fibre cables there is no power within the cable, it has to be provided locally. More work for sparkies, lol
I my simple mind it seems quite obvious that a source of power will be required for whatever receives the light signal and turns it into an electrical signal. Then it also seems obvious to me that the first thing to consider is having a fibre cable with a DC conductor pair incorporated in it to provide power for BT equipment (i assume the electronics involved are relatively low power)
 

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It really depends where BT put the fibre end points and what "management" they go for.
5W an end would not be outrageous. Multiply that up and you are very quickly into KW.
It would be less attractive for BT to provide "exchange" power for the consumer end and also of course the cable being metallic would reduce some of its advantages as you introduce all the "faults" associated with copper cables.
Not much different to ADSL Modem/router so would have thought BT would proceed with a glass only solution with power provided locally. Just a guess but that is how it has been done to date.
 

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so would have thought BT would proceed with a glass only solution with power provided locally. Just a guess but that is how it has been done to date.
BT are using plastic fibre for the overheads not sure what UG fibre they are using
 

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The NTE5 master HAS to be the first socket on the incoming line as removal of the lower part or in the newer NTE5c the front part of the socket isolates the extension wiring for testing of the incoming line. The base part of the socket is the test point for the incoming line
The front part will take two wires - or at least all the older designs before the current POS took two wires in each terminal. Two wires in a terminal = means to run two radials, a.k.a. having the master in the middle of a run. Otherwise, there's always 3 way jellies in the back of the box as an option !
 

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