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I had my annual assessment last month and confronted the local assessor regarding a short course non qualified, non competent chancer that is doing the rounds in my area. This bloke carries the same badge as me on his van. Customers can't differentiate between me and him because of this.

I know what qualifications he has 17th and EAL domestic installer course. Although he likes to tell the lads down the pub hes fully qualified.. Up until a year ago he was doing general building work (badly I should add) he's a jack of all a master of non. Now when I seen the schemes logo plastered all over the van I seen my hoop. He's nothing but an incompetent chancer.

Anyway I confronted the assessor who let him in and he bare faced denied it at first saying he doesn't let "apprentices in! (the chancer is currently on the 2357 course, his first year!). Anyway he couldn't deny it when I mentioned the name. He then said oh he has the domestic installer course I've got to let him in. So I then said you called him an apprentice though and he said well essentially he is just that.

So I said how can you and the scheme justify an apprentice working in someones home as a QS. His response to that was I don't make the rules and be careful what you say because I've just got rid of a lad this week. Didn't end well to be honest.

I don't know why another scheme or a new comPany doesn't set up as JIB register only. Minimum quals 17th Edition, 2391, 2330/2360/2357, 2356 minimum quals. At least for years recordable site experiance pre application. Then all the real sparks join it and make a nationwide campaign about fully qualified lads. I'm sick of competing with chancers
 
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Even if a JIB register is set, these sort of traders and companies will still be there, so won't really achieve a lot.

Just to show how important good scheme membership must be, my annual visit is now 2 months past being due and not heard a single thing. The assessors must be so busy at the minute bringing all the Electrical Trainee on board or something.
 
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If one of the schemes preferably the NICEIC said "no we are no longer letting part qualified lads in, everyone must have a JIB gold card aswell as 4 years pre application onsite experience and spent millions campaigning on it customers, landlords etc would never use anyone else neither would insurance companies.

The assessor was turning over 8 new companies every two weeks on average. That's from his mouth
 
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highspark said:
If one of the schemes preferably the NICEIC said "no we are no longer letting part qualified lads in, everyone must have a JIB gold card aswell as 4 years pre application onsite experience and spent millions campaigning on it customers, landlords etc would never use anyone else neither would insurance companies.

The assessor was turning over 8 new companies every two weeks on average. That's from his mouth
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So you are suggesting one of the schemes, preferably NICEIC, A: spends millions of pounds and B: gets rid of probably well over 50% of its client base? hmmmm.....an excellent business move im sure.

You're living in the clouds pal, none of this stuff is ever going to happen and you dont need a bloody JIB gold card and 4 years site experience to be capable of sticking some downlighters in a bathroom without burning the house down.
 
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Brilliant idea, but lets be honest its not gonna happen..... Shame. All the scams out there are after the money including the NICEIC and it wouldn't surprise me if there is more Electrical Trainee out there now than time-served. And what's scary about that is these Electrical Trainee are taking on apprentices and mentoring them... passing on they're terrible habits! Mad! This is then pushing the standards of the new time-served lads coming on the block.

Jesus... its a bad situation
 
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Another thing I'm getting of my chest..... There has been loads of threads lately about slagging off the JIB and their grading..... Its funny most of them have come from people who never finished their apprenticeship or Electrical Trainee.

Whats the problem?!?!? Finish the job and you'll get the grade! Same result to anyone who did their apprenticeship in the 60/70/80's. If you finish your dinner you've always got the grade. I love the JIB haha!
 
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Dave 85 said:
So you are suggesting one of the schemes, preferably NICEIC, A: spends millions of pounds and B: gets rid of probably well over 50% of its client base? hmmmm.....an excellent business move im sure.

You're living in the clouds pal, none of this stuff is ever going to happen and you dont need a bloody JIB gold card and 4 years site experience to be capable of sticking some downlighters in a bathroom without burning the house down.
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Well said Dave sadly its all about bagging members and not about maintaining standards mind you was it worth it serving 4 years plus a further 2 years to gain my approved ticket then having to sit the 14,15,16,17th editions 2377, I&T ESC I could go on but then again maybe thats what the NICEIC wants as they need to control their environment. Still next time you get assesed and they say O we dont allow Electrical Trainee in then ask them to put it in writing and Highspark you are quite right to pull them up for it
 
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Dave 85 said:
So you are suggesting one of the schemes, preferably NICEIC, A: spends millions of pounds and B: gets rid of probably well over 50% of its client base? hmmmm.....an excellent business move im sure.

You're living in the clouds pal, none of this stuff is ever going to happen and you dont need a bloody JIB gold card and 4 years site experience to be capable of sticking some downlighters in a bathroom without burning the house down.
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A. The NICEIC are already spending millions on the domestic installer scheme. Changing the message won't cost any more than it already is.

B. Also a new company could step in and take half the custom (50% you mention) from all schemes. A good business move.

And ask a customer who they would want putting spots in their bathroom a 5 week wonder or a time served lad!
 
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highspark said:
A. The NICEIC are already spending millions on the domestic installer scheme. Changing the message won't cost any more than it already is.

B. Also a new company could step in and take half the custom (50% you mention) from all schemes. A good business move.

And ask a customer who they would want putting spots in their bathroom a 5 week wonder or a time served lad!
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Sounds great but the NICEIC are sales run and driven they just will not admit there is a problem but would rather resolve the issue thats code for ignore it and hope it goes away plus the customer will use a guy with a dodgy east European sparks ticket if he can save a few bob as this help him buy that new stereo system for his tv
 
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I grumbled about the same thing to my Elecsa assesor, apparently the registered lads get more work. ....
I help out a bloke who doesnt have clue one about wiring, he can't do consumer units..amongst other things, has no clue about bonding etc, part P Dom Installer with NIC. The whole thing is beyond ridiculous, great money spinner for the bodies, wish they would admit it,
 
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highspark said:
I had my annual assessment last month and confronted the local assessor regarding a short course non qualified, non competent chancer that is doing the rounds in my area. This bloke carries the same badge as me on his van. Customers can't differentiate between me and him because of this.

I know what qualifications he has 17th and EAL domestic installer course. Although he likes to tell the lads down the pub hes fully qualified.. Up until a year ago he was doing general building work (badly I should add) he's a jack of all a master of non. Now when I seen the schemes logo plastered all over the van I seen my hoop. He's nothing but an incompetent chancer.

Anyway I confronted the assessor who let him in and he bare faced denied it at first saying he doesn't let "apprentices in! (the chancer is currently on the 2357 course, his first year!). Anyway he couldn't deny it when I mentioned the name. He then said oh he has the domestic installer course I've got to let him in. So I then said you called him an apprentice though and he said well essentially he is just that.

So I said how can you and the scheme justify an apprentice working in someones home as a QS. His response to that was I don't make the rules and be careful what you say because I've just got rid of a lad this week. Didn't end well to be honest.

I don't know why another scheme or a new comPany doesn't set up as JIB register only. Minimum quals 17th Edition, 2391, 2330/2360/2357, 2356 minimum quals. At least for years recordable site experiance pre application. Then all the real sparks join it and make a nationwide campaign about fully qualified lads. I'm sick of competing with chancers
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I've got mine in about 5 weeks. I'd better get a move on and get a course organised. Seriously, no prizes for guessing who is going to get a grilling.
 
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I had a kitchen/bathroom showroom and installer phone me up the other day, said they had some work for me. Called round and found out that they just wanted me to test and sign off there work. They are registered with Elecsa but they don't really understand how to test! FFS Told them i was not interested!
 
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Top Cat said:
I had a kitchen/bathroom showroom and installer phone me up the other day, said they had some work for me. Called round and found out that they just wanted me to test and sign off there work. They are registered with Elecsa but they don't really understand how to test! FFS Told them i was not interested!
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Absolute joke isn't it, what is the point of it all?
 
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the fella I help out isa really nice bloke tbh, I cannot understand how he makes it pay at all. Last week he asked could he come to my house and show him how to test...Well done NICEIC. Between them all, they make a mockery of the so called competent persons scheme./
 
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I moaned on another thread about this very thing...the schemes are a con and always will be so long as they allow every Tom, Dick or Harry to buy the green forms from them without checks. As an example a friend of mine who is a joiner and has done minor electrical work for years without problems bought a book of green certificates (certificates for non registered people) from niceic to do inspections (he chooses not to do them and gets a fully qualified to do it). This got me wondering what is to stop the cowboy or someone with no testing experience getting the green sheets and appearing legitimising their work. The clients will get a certificate, think all is well when it may not be, and wont find out otherwise until its too late.
 
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dpelectricalltd said:
Have had it out with our the napit / elecsa and ECA inspectors numerous times , always the same response ! can you guess what it was !?:disappointed:
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They pay so they're in.
Money talks end of.
Once all the schemes drop the pretence of doing things for the sake of improving electrical safety and admit to being profit driven , both the public and the industry will be better off.
 
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my elecsa assessment was 2 months late.... i had to contact them as they no longer send out reminder letters...!!

next year might just chance not been registered.... what they going to do throw me in jail...
 
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DurhamSparky said:
my elecsa assessment was 2 months late.... i had to contact them as they no longer send out reminder letters...!!

next year might just chance not been registered.... what they going to do throw me in jail...
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It does make you wonder if it's worth bothering when all these unregistered guys do a job then just don't bother testing or issuing certificates. Most of the time the customer is none the wiser, and even when they are, all that seems to happen is that LBC ask for an EICR from another spark.

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By the way DS, I'm assuming they managed to take the annual fee out of your account...
 
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DurhamSparky said:
.................next year might just chance not been registered.... what they going to do throw me in jail...
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Next year the goverment will impliment any changes from this years part p review.
From what i hear fewer jobs will need to be notified and councils may reduce the fees for non registered sparks.
Next year you might not need to be in a scheme anyway.
 
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Well i m regestered for PIR's with elecsa additional £350 every 3 years this year im not renewing that side because of there responce to a inspection i did , cutting to the short 35 deviations 10 code 1's exposed terminals every where , even to the extent of the lighting circuit having no cpc's and test resaults on the certs nice and it was given a satisfactory report im taking these with me to elex next week will be shown to the ESC and elecsa who this company is a member should be fun
 
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nickblake said:
Well i m regestered for PIR's with elecsa additional £350 every 3 years this year im not renewing that side because of there responce to a inspection i did , cutting to the short 35 deviations 10 code 1's exposed terminals every where , even to the extent of the lighting circuit having no cpc's and test resaults on the certs nice and it was given a satisfactory report im taking these with me to elex next week will be shown to the ESC and elecsa who this company is a member should be fun
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I don't understand why people pay extra to do EICRs when you don't need to be registered to do one? What does paying benefit you
 
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did get a few more out of it and i do alot for letting agents who insist on it i know you dont need to regester to do them but its like before part #P if you were NIC etc you gained work its credability i supose
 
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yes they still take the 40 quid a month form my bank with out fail...! might just enquire with DCC and see what there policy is for paying direct...!
 
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hahahaha!! we would get bashed and bruised by the big boys scared of taking there money...!

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im up for it though.... how do we go about setting up!!!
 
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highspark said:
Nic why would you need to be covered for a EICR? I have no idea. You don't need to register a EICR
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dont but like i said some letting agents require you to be regestered for test and inspection to get the work even though i have the 2391 it was an add on to get the work it is just another piece of paper to say you can do the job
 
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