Quizzed scheme assessor

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highspark

I had my annual assessment last month and confronted the local assessor regarding a short course non qualified, non competent chancer that is doing the rounds in my area. This bloke carries the same badge as me on his van. Customers can't differentiate between me and him because of this.

I know what qualifications he has 17th and EAL domestic installer course. Although he likes to tell the lads down the pub hes fully qualified.. Up until a year ago he was doing general building work (badly I should add) he's a jack of all a master of non. Now when I seen the schemes logo plastered all over the van I seen my hoop. He's nothing but an incompetent chancer.

Anyway I confronted the assessor who let him in and he bare faced denied it at first saying he doesn't let "apprentices in! (the chancer is currently on the 2357 course, his first year!). Anyway he couldn't deny it when I mentioned the name. He then said oh he has the domestic installer course I've got to let him in. So I then said you called him an apprentice though and he said well essentially he is just that.

So I said how can you and the scheme justify an apprentice working in someones home as a QS. His response to that was I don't make the rules and be careful what you say because I've just got rid of a lad this week. Didn't end well to be honest.

I don't know why another scheme or a new comPany doesn't set up as JIB register only. Minimum quals 17th Edition, 2391, 2330/2360/2357, 2356 minimum quals. At least for years recordable site experiance pre application. Then all the real sparks join it and make a nationwide campaign about fully qualified lads. I'm sick of competing with chancers
 
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The funny thing is we are all talking about them as if they were oblivious to this forum where I suspect the majority of inspectors lurk on so my question is can we monitor memebers who do lurk and dont post and I dont mean the wanabees
 
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sedgy34 said:
RIGHT GUYS!!!! how about a forum inspection council give them scams a run for there money
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Nice idea, but unfortunately probably not sustainable, all the Electrical Trainee would join Niceic.

Just out of interest has anybody got the answers to these questions?

Number of registered sparks in the UK?
Number of them that are fully qualified?
Number of qualified forum members registered with part P scam?

As for becoming a scheme probable not as difficult as we think.
 
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DurhamSparky said:
i know the elecsa chap who came to see me looks on the forum...! he told me! he never registered as it would be a conflict of interest!
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So is that why they look you in the eye and say na I would not go on your forum whilst they are trying to work out the reply to any hidden gems they may get hit with
 
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Amp David said:
Just to show how important good scheme membership must be, my annual visit is now 2 months past being due and not heard a single thing. The assessors must be so busy at the minute bringing all the Electrical Trainee on board or something.
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Mate, my last "assessment" visit was 3 years ago. Each year they take my money, they send me a new badge and cert for my wall and i keep notifying jobs like a good boy. Maybe they don't want to come round here any more. The last time he was here I gave the guy such a hard time.
Suits me, I don't lose half a day's work while some idiot quizzes me about the earth fault path.
 
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Taylortwocities said:
Mate, my last "assessment" visit was 3 years ago. Each year they take my money, they send me a new badge and cert for my wall and i keep notifying jobs like a good boy. Maybe they don't want to come round here any more. The last time he was here I gave the guy such a hard time.
Suits me, I don't lose half a day's work while some idiot quizzes me about the earth fault path.
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i take it your with the ECA
 
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Just out of interest I've just contacted the ODPM to ask how to go about setting up a scheme. I'll post up the news as I get it but don't hold your breath guys
 
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hmm if all these chancers and unskilled people are around ...... why do you all seem to leap forward when they come on here asking basic questions or stupid ones to help them out
 
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dingledong said:
hmm if all these chancers and unskilled people are around ...... why do you all seem to leap forward when they come on here asking basic questions or stupid ones to help them out
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To be fair, a lot of us ask them if they are qualified before giving out "advice", then tailor our posts accordingly. If we think they are out of their league, we tell them!
The trouble is, we then get accused by certain members (you know who you are) of "getting above ourselves" or being the (my favourite) "electrical police".
 
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dingledong said:
hmm if all these chancers and unskilled people are around ...... why do you all seem to leap forward when they come on here asking basic questions or stupid ones to help them out
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It would be a very dull and empty forum if we didnt.
Anyway , dumb questions from the clueless often spark interesting debates for the experienced boys to get stuck into.
 
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I've always been against the NICEIC letting these people in on the domestic installer scheme that was one of the reasons I got approved status, but even that now has become a joke, they don't check you have the 2 years on site experience that your suppose to have only need to show 2391 and 17th. Everyone on here knows at least 2 people doing work and not signing it off and they never get caught or any questioned asked, I put a lot at the local authorities door as they get notification though to say jobs have been signed off and even when a extension gets build that they are involved in they want sheets never the part p notification I believe the NICEIC should start another scheme only allowing time served electricians be members then the customer knows they are getting an 'electrician'
 
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Guitarist said:
To be fair, a lot of us ask them if they are qualified before giving out "advice", then tailor our posts accordingly. If we think they are out of their league, we tell them!
The trouble is, we then get accused by certain members (you know who you are) of "getting above ourselves" or being the (my favourite) "electrical police".
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Yes, I know who I am officer sparky
 
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Taylortwocities said:
Mate, my last "assessment" visit was 3 years ago. Each year they take my money, they send me a new badge and cert for my wall and i keep notifying jobs like a good boy. Maybe they don't want to come round here any more. The last time he was here I gave the guy such a hard time.
Suits me, I don't lose half a day's work while some idiot quizzes me about the earth fault path.
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You must be with NAPIT then :grin:, they make their money by under assessing, whilst the NICEIC makes money from over assessing.

DCLG have introduced risk based assessment as from last Wednesday.

But to keep the NICEIC happy they are going to allow Schemes to assess every year if they want to.

If we had a whip round do you think that DCLG (Eric Pickles) would do us a good deal?


Still the Schemes are Acredited by UKAS so they must ne legit. :grin:
 
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trev said:
Just out of interest I've just contacted the ODPM to ask how to go about setting up a scheme. I'll post up the news as I get it but don't hold your breath guys
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trev I think you will find the name ODPM went with Prescott.

They are now DCLG Buildings Division, the same people, but now on there 4th Junior minister since Part P came in.

You are right DCLG are requesting for people to set up new Schemes, the biggest draw back is having to get UKAS acreditation within 2 years though. I dont know why DCLG bother with UKAS as all they do is check that the Schemes are ticking boxes.

The fact that the Installer on the Doorstep, does not have to be Competent does not seem to bother UKAS, still they also are going to make lots of money, from ALL Schemes having to be UKAS Acredited now.

They charge £1000 a day +VAT +expenses, happy days for them, but why do they exist when they dont ensure Competence on the Doorstep?

Could it be another Scam?
 
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Engineer54 said:
Yep, it makes a complete mockery of these scheme providers, playing the ''Safety'' card at the recent all party inquiry!!
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The DCLG all party Commons Select Committee were not impressed one bit with the Schemes, or with the way DCLG claims to monitor what they get up to.

One of their conclusions was that there was a conflict of interest allowed by DCLG, where the Schemes make money out of Registrants and Members, but at the same time claim to be concerned with Safety and Competence. :grin:

Because of this, they have concerns over Public Safety, I think that all good Electricians have concerns over Public Safety, with the scams that are going on.
 
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highspark said:
If one of the schemes preferably the NICEIC said "no we are no longer letting part qualified lads in, everyone must have a JIB gold card aswell as 4 years pre application onsite experience and spent millions campaigning on it customers, landlords etc would never use anyone else neither would insurance companies.

The assessor was turning over 8 new companies every two weeks on average. That's from his mouth
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2360 parts one and 2 (2 nights a week at college for 3 yrs)
2382-10 17th edition
2391
11 years experience

still cant get a JIB gold card, does that make me part qualified ffs?
 
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jase said:
2360 parts one and 2 (2 nights a week at college for 3 yrs)
2382-10 17th edition
2391
11 years experience

still cant get a JIB gold card, does that make me part qualified ffs?
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I know....It bloody nonsense
Ive got 2330 L2+3 plus 17th edition.....If anything I'd say Im over qualified to be a domestic installer
 
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I sympathise with the motivation for the post,that is to assure that anyone in a scheme is adequately trained,but the JIB gold card proviso would be contentious
Many have never worked under the JIB system and have never had need of them
Their selection system for grading has been criticised, very often by many well qualified people in the past,it is probably deeply flawed

The schemes, and selection to those schemes, can never be adequate,that is, until the conflict of interest of greater member numbers equalling greater wealth, when the assessment of competence are by the same organisations that benefit from increased membership
 
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I served my time under the SJIB system so that point of view that fine (for me) but i still feel that they should have sorted all of this out with the Schemies who for me are just as bad as the litle shop in an east European village that will make and sell you a electricians card for a price.

What a bloody mess
 
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Looks like they will ose my money then as I am the same as jase. Although I did my 2360 on block release

jase said:
2360 parts one and 2 (2 nights a week at college for 3 yrs)
2382-10 17th edition
2391
11 years experience

still cant get a JIB gold card, does that make me part qualified ffs?
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Dillb said:
Just e-mailed. JIB with my list of qualifications and experience asking why i can't get a gold card.
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There response
Good afternoon

In response to your email, before1996 was mandatory to have C&G 1,2 & am2 for an electricians grade and after C&G 2,3 & NVQ3.

If you have an certificate from ELECSA issued within 3 months you can apply for a domestic installer card, attached in an application form and a information pack.

Regards
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So now even the JIB are getting on the DI band wagon. Makes a whole mockery of there system now that they do this. I am sure there some Electrical Trainee who have no idea what they are doing with a JIB card now.
 
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Zeno said:
The DCLG all party Commons Select Committee were not impressed one bit with the Schemes, or with the way DCLG claims to monitor what they get up to.

One of their conclusions was that there was a conflict of interest allowed by DCLG, where the Schemes make money out of Registrants and Members, but at the same time claim to be concerned with Safety and Competence. :grin:

Because of this, they have concerns over Public Safety, I think that all good Electricians have concerns over Public Safety, with the scams that are going on.
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Can you just imagine the day they got the part P pushed through all them back handers to get it to happen, there would have been a massive party by the scams cause it clearly made them zillions
 
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