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Hi guys does anybody please have a template risk assessment for the omission of RCD protection? Or does anyone know where I may locate one? Many thanks in advance.
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so tell us in one word that one is not required ,on a stamp to co, the electrical forum @ the worlds end ,earth.Hi guys does anybody please have a template risk assessment for the omission of RCD protection? Or does anyone know where I may locate one? Many thanks in advance.
There may be one at one of the electric design companies but there is nothing on here that I could find.Hi guys does anybody please have a template risk assessment for the omission of RCD protection? Or does anyone know where I may locate one? Many thanks in advance.
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If the OP undertakes a RA stating additional rcd protection has been omitted then he needs to satisfy the installation is no less safer than if it was provided. It is likely to be a clear departure from BS7671 and I have no idea why someone would leave themselves wide open by doing so.
I, and many others, in the telecoms sector are having big issues with this at the moment.It is likely to be a clear departure from BS7671 and I have no idea why someone would leave themselves wide open by doing so.
I, and many others, in the telecoms sector are having big issues with this at the moment.
Our customers don't want RCD protection on their equipment due to the risk of nuisance tripping and the loss of service to their customers. Not a massive problem to knock of 250,000 internet subscribers in one hit however as a lot of networks are now IP based there is a risk that blue light services could be effected at a critical moment.
It has been suggested that we connect their equipment using hard-wiring however they wish to retain the functionality of socket-outlets as you can send a poorly paid FLM engineer to swap a piece of faulty kit rather than a sparky, it all boils down to cost and ease.
Now these socket-outlets aren't just commando sockets under the floor or high level mounted ones, the requirement for additional protection also applies to any power rails, C13, C19 etc, that my also be installed.
It's a massive can of worms and we're currently losing a lot of work as no one is willing to do the risk assessment.
Removing one line has create a massive headache for us, we used to be able to use the following up until the introduction of the 18th:
(b) for a specific labelled or otherwise suitably identified socket-outlet provided for connection of a particular item of equipment.
These are circuits in secure switch rooms with heavily restricted access, no chance of Doris plugging in her curling tongs or lawn mower, these circuits are for dedicated racks that will be there for the next twenty years.
It boils down to our customers stating they don’t want RCD protection but not willing to state that in a documented risk assessment. If we installed RCD protection then technically we’re in breach of contract and liable for any outage costs and fines that can run into the hundreds of thousands per hour.Why don’t you guys just do the RA? On one hand you have the risk of loosing 999 service coverage for maybe millions of people or the other the ever so slight, if any risk of a contractor being electrocuted?
I would look at possibly installing T Earth sockets with labels on stating these sockets are for ‘x’ equipment only. Maybe even possibly putting a general use socket adjacent, again suitably labelled saying this is for general use and is RCD protected.
To me it is really quite simple or am I missing something????
It boils down to our customers stating they don’t want RCD protection but not willing to state that in a documented risk assessment. If we installed RCD protection then technically we’re in breach of contract and liable for any outage costs and fines that can run into the hundreds of thousands per hour.
This has come from the customers various design and engineering departments, they’re classed as electrically skilled and normal carry out the circuit designs yet expect us to raise and sign the RA. Peeing into the wind is the norm in telecoms.But surely as the competent people (electrically) only you can do the RA. It needs to have some technical back-up to it and cannot just be at the client’s request but in this instance I can see it being quite simple to RA RCD protection off certain sockets.
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