Rental Property Regs for CCU

[Chrisknowlesuk]

In the process of doing an EICR for a rental property (probably an HMO).

Really old CCU that has exposed live parts once the lid is removed and so would need to be super careful testing as there is no other isolation except the 100A tagged fuse.

Don’t feel comfortable doing any further tests because of the safety nature (am I a wimp).

But it occurred to me that surely this should definately be a new board upgrade job if it’s in a HMO property?

Thoughts??

 

[westward10]

Wimp

 

[Spoon]

Did you take any pics? Of the CU that is.....

 

[westward10]

A new board is a decision for the client and your Report should contain all the facts which will aid this decision.

 

[Chrisknowlesuk]

I would have thought for HMO rental it should be Fire rated, New Regs yada yada yada

 

[Pete999]

I would have thought for HMO rental it should be Fire rated, New Regs yada yada yada

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I think I spy with my little eye, some cores missing from the Tails, or is it my Cataracs playing up?

 

[Chrisknowlesuk]

Yes you’re right.

No isolation other than tagged fuse which I’m sure some may just pull but I’m trying to do things by the book. So incoming expose live terminal too close for confort to where I would be removing neutrals etc..

Does that sound like a reasonable decision to make?

 

[westward10]

Wimp

 

[Chrisknowlesuk]

The board has no RCD so I would think that alone constitutes a need for upgrade surely?

 

[Chrisknowlesuk]

The board has no RCD so I would think that alone constitutes a need for upgrade surely?

I’m not sure if my pink screwdriver set from Homebase are voltage rated?

 

[Bobster]

There should be shrouds over those incoming terminals.

Are you there to do remedial work or just an EICR?

 

[westward10]

The board has no RCD so I would think that alone constitutes a need for upgrade surely?

That is not your decision, do the EICR and list any issues in the Report.

 

[Pete999]

In the process of doing an EICR for a rental property (probably an HMO).

Really old CCU that has exposed live parts once the lid is removed and so would need to be super careful testing as there is no other isolation except the 100A tagged fuse.

Don’t feel comfortable doing any further tests because of the safety nature (am I a wimp).

But it occurred to me that surely this should definately be a new board upgrade job if it’s in a HMO property?

Thoughts??

Do the EICR, note everything on the EICR report form, plus as a Bum covering excercise, list all salient dangerous findings, and your recommendations in a covering letter, copies of the Report, recommendations and your covering letter to the Land Lord and the Tennant, if you are a member of a scam wouldn't hurt to bung them a copy as well, it may help.

 

[westward10]

Copy to client is all that is required.

 

[Pete999]

Copy to client is all that is required.

OK I was just thinking how much the OP was / is
concerned, the more people informed of the issues, the more fuss you can make, but yes you are completely correct, just one copy to the client is the requirement.

 

[westward10]

I think he is trying to find an excuse not to test it

 

[Octopus]

Just do a proper EICR and submit out with your invoice ......

What exactly is the problem, just turn off the main switch on the fuse board

 

[Pete999]

Just do a proper EICR and submit out with your invoice ......

What exactly is the problem, just turn off the main switch on the fuse board

As soon as the Sparky closes the door on his way switch will be back in the on postion, cut the seal and pull the fuse, how dare you Pet999 go stand in the naughty corner,

 

[Octopus]

I’m not sure if my pink screwdriver set from Homebase are voltage rated?

I hope you are joking about your screwdrivers.

 

[Spoon]

So incoming expose live terminal too close for confort to where I would be removing neutrals etc..

Get some of these.... Job sorted..

 

[telectrix]

the missing shrouds on the incomer, the incoming tails terminations, would each be a C2 in my book, and the rat nest a C3.

 

[telectrix]

Get some of these.... Job sorted..
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are those rated to 1kV?

 

[Spoon]

are those rated to 1kV?

maybe... if you wear 2 pair...

 

[telectrix]

a pair like this:

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[Nigel]

Based on purely what you have said in the op - no.

Have you found a Reg to state that no live parts can be under the cover of a DB that is secured by screws?

How do you carry out live tests if this DB is worrying you?

 

[Octopus]

Based on purely what you have said in the op - no.

Have you found a Reg to state that no live parts can be under the cover of a DB that is secured by screws?

How do you carry out EICR's if this DB is worrying you?

Edited that for you.

 

[mhar]

The fire officer may have something to say if it is an HMO, however he is likely to say that the cu must be in a fireproof enclosure as a minimum and may not say that you need an ammendment 3 board.

Isn't the point of a cu to house live parts? As long as a tool is required to access I can't see more than a C3. Maybe able to C2 the incoming tail if it has been 'trimmed' as it looks like in the photo

 

[Andy78]

Findings of report... I think it might need changing because of lack of RCDs but not sure, no idea about the state of circuits as I daren't test them.

 

[HandySparks]

If you're worried about the exposed live parts on the supply side of the main switch, just stick a few layers of tape over them while testing to reduce the chance of accidental contact. Better still, pull the fuse. After all, it'll probably need pulling later to tidy up the terminations or replace the board.

 

[MDJ]

In the process of doing an EICR for a rental property (probably an HMO).

Really old CCU that has exposed live parts once the lid is removed and so would need to be super careful testing as there is no other isolation except the 100A tagged fuse.

Don’t feel comfortable doing any further tests because of the safety nature (am I a wimp).

But it occurred to me that surely this should definately be a new board upgrade job if it’s in a HMO property?

Thoughts??

Do you wear womens clothes and run frantically when a lorry drives over speed bumps?

 

[Spoon]

Do you wear womens clothes and run frantically when a lorry drives over speed bumps?

I put on women's clothing and hang around in bars......

 

[MDJ]

HAHAHA, I am so glad I am not the only sarcastic buffoon on this site PMSL

 

[Spoon]

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HAHAHA, I am so glad I am not the only sarcastic buffoon on this site PMSL

I couldn't help it. I read your post and I couldn't get Monty Python out of my head.

 

[PEG]

I think the OP would be better off being a Vocational Guidance Councillor...

 

[Des 56]

Regs for rental property cons unit

The pink book costs us enough without giving the Iet food for thought

 

[Michaelwgroves]

The fire officer may have something to say if it is an HMO, however he is likely to say that the cu must be in a fireproof enclosure as a minimum and may not say that you need an ammendment 3 board.

Isn't the point of a cu to house live parts? As long as a tool is required to access I can't see more than a C3. Maybe able to C2 the incoming tail if it has been 'trimmed' as it looks like in the photo

Fire Officers don't inspect HMO's. Some councils may differ but mine require HMO's to have a risk assessment. The assessor will not inspect CU, they will look at EICR to ensure it is satisfactory.
HMO's must have EICR every 5 years, typical Private rentals it's recommended but not mandatory. Although there is a government consultation to make all private rentals have mandatory EICR every 5 years.

 

[westward10]

I do a lot of FRAs and I do take a visual over the electrical installation.

 

[Michaelwgroves]

I agree a visual is required, but the assessor would rely on EICR for details.

 

[pirate]

Up here in Scotland EICR is mandatory on rentals.

 

[mhar]

Fire Officers don't inspect HMO's. Some councils may differ but mine require HMO's to have a risk assessment. The assessor will not inspect CU, they will look at EICR to ensure it is satisfactory.
HMO's must have EICR every 5 years, typical Private rentals it's recommended but not mandatory. Although there is a government consultation to make all private rentals have mandatory EICR every 5 years.

I recently had a combined visit from a housing officer and a fire officer to an hmo that I am involved with. Both the gas and the electrical incomers, meter positions, associated pipework and consumer units were commented on by the fire officer. The fire officer wrote a report to the housing officer and this was the basis of the housing officer's report.

There is obviously some variation between local authorities