SBS Trade consumer units

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That was my initial thought, but it seems strange that the Live version doesn't appear to be held in stock anywhere worldwide.

David Savery bought them all up.

 

[LukeD]

Shame.... but how could they eve compete with the like of ~Fusebox etc ?

 

[DPG]

Shame.... but how could they eve compete with the like of ~Fusebox etc ?

But to be fair, who'd have thought Fusebox would do as well as they did when they first started?

 

[nicebutdim]

But to be fair, who'd have thought Fusebox would do as well as they did when they first started?

Indeed, but they gave themselves every chance with aggressive marketing, competitive pricing and concerted efforts to get their product into wholesalers.

 

[pc1966]

I really doubt that SBS would buy enough for it to be cost effective to make a version just for them.

A lot of the EU mandated DP MCBs and RCBOs so I suspect that is the primary market for dual busbars.

But they should have become the norm decades ago so RCBO were all neat and compact, not the spaghetti junction in many CU. Even if MCB were still SP in the UK they could have had just a pass-through for N and still used a common busbar as appears to be the SBS case.

 

[Mike Johnson]

Legrand make various dual bus bars either staggered or straight at various pitch's, you can find them on the RS web site.

 

[nicebutdim]

Getting back to the point in hand; Live have a range of RCBOs in their catalogue which are intended for use with dual busbars, but no sign of a dual busbar for use in any of their enclosures and there is no availability of these RCBOs worldwide. This all seems rather odd.

 

[Mike Johnson]

Schneider also manufacture the dual bus bars: A9XPH212 | Schneider Electric Acti 9 2 Phase Busbar, 415V ac, 18mm Pitch | RS - https://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/busbars/7762720 some will baulk at the price, but don't forget it's two bus bars.

 

[nicebutdim]

I don't see that pointing out devices from other manufacturers is going to be of any future help of owners of SBS boards.

It has been claimed that SBS devices were manufactured by Live so, while we're digging up information, anything on that front may be of use.

 

[timhoward]

Schneider also manufacture the dual bus bars: A9XPH212 | Schneider Electric Acti 9 2 Phase Busbar, 415V ac, 18mm Pitch | RS - https://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/busbars/7762720 some will baulk at the price, but don't forget it's two bus bars.

On the RS ones the L and N spacing remains 1 module apart along it's length so it wouldn't work with the devices we are talking about.
Most of us wouldn't want to be reckless with mixing manufacturers gear inside a consumer unit too.
We really need something made by SBS or in the same supply tree.

 

[Timbo]

These also look identical. Again, no mentionof specific busbar.

NB2LE Series – Chint Europe (UK) Ltd

chint.co.uk

 

[Simon47]

These also look identical. Again, no mentionof specific busbar.

NB2LE Series – Chint Europe (UK) Ltd

chint.co.uk

Does the 4500 in the box mean only 4.5kA breaking capacity ? That's "rather low" compared to the normal 6kA and occasionally 10kA found on other makes.

 

[westward10]

This is often what happens when you buy these bespoke products and they go out of business, you are stuck. Unless someone takes over the brand you are going to have difficulty proving compatibility.

 

[Timbo]

Does the 4500 in the box mean only 4.5kA breaking capacity ? That's "rather low" compared to the normal 6kA and occasionally 10kA found on other makes.

 

[Simon47]

This is often what happens when you buy these bespoke products and they go out of business, you are stuck. Unless someone takes over the brand you are going to have difficulty proving compatibility.

Not so much bespoke, more "snall vendor". Mind you, the big vendors leave you in the same position when they change ranges - the cynics might think deliberately to obsolete installed systems.

 

[westward10]

Not so much bespoke, more "snall vendor". Mind you, the big vendors leave you in the same position when they change ranges - the cynics might think deliberately to obsolete installed systems.

Small vendor or bespoke it makes little difference it was a gamble to use their products and not face fallout in the long run. Of course the prominent brands chop and change with no backward compatibility but there is availability to some extent and the odd brand do maintain compatibility/availability. Schneider took over Merlin Gerin and Square D and to their credit still provide compatible parts. Given the choice of using SBS products it would not even be considered because the nature of the product and it's uniqueness it would not have been a viable option.

 

[pc1966]

Getting back to the point in hand; Live have a range of RCBOs in their catalogue which are intended for use with dual busbars, but no sign of a dual busbar for use in any of their enclosures and there is no availability of these RCBOs worldwide. This all seems rather odd.

I strongly suspect that 'Live' really just re-brand some supplier who makes a lot more for the EU market, maybe they are listed as they got UK certification/testing done for SBS, or just for internal purposes to sell to SBS?

But it is odd if they are the actual importer due to size they don't take over spares, etc.

 

[timhoward]

Does anyone recognise this embossed logo that is on the side of the devices?

 

[timhoward]

Possibly available in Australia!

DL 6kA 16 Amp Single Pole Safety Switch RCBO RCDMCB 30mA 3 YEARS WARRANTY

Shop Online DL 6kA 16 Amp Single Pole Safety Switch RCBO RCDMCB 30mA 3 YEARS WARRANTY! from AGM Electrical Supplies. We Offer top Quality RCBO Safety Switch in Australia.

agmelectrical.com.au

 

[mainline]

Place of Origin
Zhejiang, China
DL Electric.

Made for the Australian market

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www.alibaba.com

 

[Timbo]

Place of Origin
Zhejiang, China
DL Electric.

Made for the Australian market

Top And Button Wire Dl7nl-40 Dl Rcbo 20a 1p+n Ac Type For As/nzs Standard With Saa $ Esv - Buy As/nzs Standard 1p+n Rcbo 20a Rcbo Product on Alibaba.com

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www.alibaba.com

I notice, scrolling down in that link, they have the ½ module width mcb's as well.

 

[Timbo]

Note main switch and mcb are LVE branded, as are the contactors. The RCBO's are SBS branded.
The enclosure is LVE.
I bought and installed this in 2018.