The RCD/Electrical Trainee thread has got me thinking...

[Rockingit]

I know that members/bans/etc is a sore subject at the moment, and that many in here will have a strong opinion either which way....

If we kind of reckon that the things which get us all most riled and heated up are invariably the stupid Electrical Trainee threads, is there a point at which it's appropriate for a mod to step in and actually say from a definite, experienced and qualified viewpoint, that the correct answer to the OP is whatever it is, and then close the thread - BEFORE people start to lose their rag? Half the time the thread gets made a whole lot worse by other Electrical Trainee's all chipping in with equally cr4p replies.

Likewise, how many times a week do we need another thread on Wago's or sheds or [insert personal irritation here]....surely it would be much simpler just to stop the thread and refer it back to the ample sticky's??

[goes off to stick tin hat on.......] :army:

 

[AP Electrical]

There won't ne anything left to talk about though.

 

[Rockingit]

There won't ne anything left to talk about though.

Mmm..... I know what you mean, but on the other sections there are some really interesting and quality questions and threads running, it's just the general board that gets clogged up.

Besides, there's always cars, booze and women if we get desperate.

 

[Adam W]

One problem is that the reason for discussion is there are different ways of doing things. The regs change every few years for a reason. A moderator on a forum isn't necessarily any more electrically qualified than someone who has only just found the forum.
I don't really follow football, but I would imagine a moderator closing down a thread with their opinion presented as 'the right answer' would be similar to if 'the head of football' ranked all the teams in order and decided that was the end of the matter.

 

[Rockingit]

Fair comment ^^^, but then we do on occasion know for sure what is right and wrong as the BGB tells us.

 

[AP Electrical]

Things have got far to intense on here lately, it does seem some members search out the Electrical Trainee threads just to ridicule the poster and a short ban doesn't seem to bother anyone either, so instead of a week long ban make it cross the line and your out and that's final

 

[oldtimer]

I just have to resist the "what if" and "can I be a qualified electrician in 3 months if I buy the books today" OR "HELP!!!!!" only to find he has put a new CU in and has not done the basic checks

 

[nick182]

if only employers were willing to help these inexperienced people that were on those courses we wouldnt have too much of a problem!

 

[oldtimer]

if only employers were willing to help these inexperienced people that were on those courses we wouldnt have too much of a problem!

That was in the golden years until some clown called Thatcher decided the nanny state should get sorted out so she put a stop to training and sold or bribed off the social housing now fast forward we are in a low wage economy ie service sector with no social housing for the very people who now need it and no employee wants to train anyone as they dont get paid for it plus market forces say let some other clown do it and you just poach their workers sounds great until you realise they are all doing it hence the drop in standards

 

[AP Electrical]

if only employers were willing to help these inexperienced people that were on those courses we wouldnt have too much of a problem!

To be fair nick theres loads of guys just out of 3 yrs of college who struggle to get taken on for the practical Exp, imo. There the ones who should be getting the help, I've nothing against Electrical Trainee but they choose to take that path.

 

[mickys86]

To be fair nick theres loads of guys just out of 3 yrs of college who struggle to get taken on for the practical Exp, imo. There the ones who should be getting the help, I've nothing against Electrical Trainee but they choose to take that path.

My mate is currently desperate to go out one day a week no pay with an electrician, we are in our third year of college and he needs an experienced hand to watch over him whilst he learns the trade.
He's going to post a 'desperate plea' on here next week.

If I ever get to the stage where I own a successful company I will try my best to help college based apprentices

 

[Top Cat]

Are we discussing http://www.electriciansforums.net/e...electrical-forum/55545-rcd-earth-leakage.html in particular or in general terms?

 

[nick182]

Are we discussing http://www.electriciansforums.net/e...electrical-forum/55545-rcd-earth-leakage.html in particular or in general terms?

*facepalm*

oh dear... some people just cant be helped..

Surely this has to come to an end soon.. i mean, we have unskilled "qualified" electricians running around...
*inexperienced people begging to work for free.
*No apprenticeships about..
*Just a hell of a lot of colleges cashing in and telling people they can be qualified with a short amount of time only to find out that they A) cant get a job afterwards so, B) they trash people's homes in order to gain the experience..

this industry is in F****** turmoil..

i should of been a plumber! ...pfft

 

[Adam W]

To be fair nick theres loads of guys just out of 3 yrs of college who struggle to get taken on for the practical Exp, imo. There the ones who should be getting the help, I've nothing against Electrical Trainee but they choose to take that path.

I agree - I don't think anyone would say the 'crash course' is better or even the same as the college route, and I think now was the worst possible time to change from the 2330 and 2356 to the 2357, when there is very little work around.
Doing the technical certificate shows an employer that an adult trainee is keen to learn the trade so they can take them on to do the 2356, but it seems a lot of employers didn't even want to do that.

I've always been strongly against this attitude that someone 'has no other option' than to do a 'crash course' and then go out practising on the unsuspecting public's homes, but the 2357 seems to be 'pulling up the ladder' for adult trainees, and those that don't have an electrician friend and a shed load of cash have no chance at all. For someone who wants to become an electrician after the age of 18 the Electrical Trainee way really will be the only option, and let's face it, it's not a very good one.

 

[Adam W]

Things have got far to intense on here lately, it does seem some members search out the Electrical Trainee threads just to ridicule the poster and a short ban doesn't seem to bother anyone either

I agree with that as well - every time I read a thread started by a newish member with a low post count I half expect the tired old 'you're too stupid to be messing about with electricity' taunt and unfortunately it usually turns up in the first page or so.

 

[nick182]

So what do you guys think these "Electrical Trainee" guys should do then?

write off the money and hours spent studying?
get a non existing apprenticeship at a mature age?
or carry on messin up someones home coz they cant get the experience from the "Professionals"?

keeping in mind that they have to eat and pay bills too..

 

[AP Electrical]

So what do you guys think these "Electrical Trainee" guys should do then?

write off the money and hours spent studying?
get a non existing apprenticeship at a mature age?
or carry on messin up someones home coz they cant get the experience from the "Professionals"?

keeping in mind that they have to eat and pay bills too..

Consider spending remainder of redundancy on an Ice cream round - prob make twice what an electrician makes.

 

[mickys86]

Consider spending remainder of redundancy on an Ice cream round - prob make twice what an electrician makes.

Are you considering that even with all the rain we've been getting??

 

[AP Electrical]

Are you considering that even with all the rain we've been getting??

Thought of that already micky, im gunna get a big tea urn/dispensor as a side line - I'll cash in big time...,

 

[Adam W]

You could get a PAT tester in your ice cream van and park up outside catering exhibitions testing the exhibitors' equipment at £5 a throw.
Where else can you get a PAT test, a hot cup of tea and an iced cream in one place?