But I am equally unhappy with the direction you have taken the discussion in. Am I not allowed to say that.? Now for someone who has expressed such a desire to see hard facts and citations. have you noticed how the facts I presented regarding Trump's use of conspiracy theories have not being respo ded to. Well everyone else has.
I’ve just read through this thread and it worries me to see calls to sensor or stop the freedom of speech we have.
if someone was incouraging violence, racism, or sexism Within this site. Yes moderate or even shut down. But I’ve seen non of that hear. Just different points of view
in the beginning I though trump seemed ok, a nice change to have a non politician In charge.
All that changed in my mind as the more he opened his mouth the worste that came out.
He is in my opinion a true nutter.
Some people will be offended by my comment. That’s fine as I respect the fact they disagree with me. But I don’t want to be silenced.
one other point. Is anyone else sick of comparisons to hitler ever time there is a big divisive debate. That was over 80years ago...
if someone was incouraging violence, racism, or sexism Within this site. Yes moderate or even shut down. But I’ve seen non of that hear. Just different points of view
in the beginning I though trump seemed ok, a nice change to have a non politician In charge.
All that changed in my mind as the more he opened his mouth the worste that came out.
He is in my opinion a true nutter.
Some people will be offended by my comment. That’s fine as I respect the fact they disagree with me. But I don’t want to be silenced.
one other point. Is anyone else sick of comparisons to hitler ever time there is a big divisive debate. That was over 80years ago...
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Darkwood
They haven't been responded to by me because I don't entirely disagree with some of what you said, Trump has a lot of faults and name me any prime minister or president who hasn't, it seems your problem is you are jumping to your own conclusions and assumptions about my full position on Trump, I believe in fair politics and fair elections, since Trump entered office I have seen nothing but very dirty tactics been played out for 4yrs and are still going on.
As it stands now 54 -45 I think have voted in favour to push impeachment of Trump even though it can no longer be done as written in the constitution, the fact 45 republicans supported Trump means this is dead on arrival anyway as for a conviction there is not enough people to push it through by a large margin of 17 if I got that correct, and here is my problem, this is all optics now, it is waste of money, it is making divide worse and it is been orchestrated completely by the democrats. I hate dirty politics and will call it out even if i is my own party, the Russia collusion over Trump lasted 4 yrs and he has been totally debunked and exposed in declassified CIA documents, it was a massive dirty tricks campaign to take the overbearing attention off Hillary's Email scandal.
I would prefer you ask me my opinion on a specific point than assert your own assumption which you repeatedly do, Trump for me is not a politician and that has a lot of positives but it also comes with many negatives which have got him in some stupid positions of his own creation, but if you put them aside and actually see what he has done for America in just 4 yrs then that is why I support him, he has broken economic and job records, brought back long dead industries and basically put the people first and not shareholders.
A lot of people base their opinion of Trump on his let's say stupid comments, twitter use and general attitude, this has been heavily pushed by the media across the world, however simply read through the list I linked to at the beginning of the thread and you will see that behind that foolish front he has done more for America than any other recent president and has broken several records that have held for 70yrs in some cases.
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It was, and you'd think we'd be more alert to someone using similar techniques to obtain and retain power.
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nicebutdim
Cream of the crop was CNN's man in Kenosha reporting "firey, but mostly peaceful" protests while a warzone was blazing in the background.
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GBDamo
....and Marie Antoinette had her head lopped off is this also relevant?
Despite obvious election fraud Trump has left office, Gradpa Joe is now president, that is until he's deemed unfit and Kamala takes over.
by that do you mean to say that Trump has murdered millions?
So to recap your supposition @darkwood;
Trumps speech did nothing to incite demonstrators to violence & storm the Capitol, as they can’t be in two places at once. And they wouldn’t of been aware of tweets etc, made by Trump the days before, about Jan 6th. But let’s not draw that into the debate. So all his supporters were miles away listening to his speech.
Meanwhile the Black Lives Matters, Antifa etc were waiting patiently outside the Capitol, waiting for the right time to go.
The FBI & National Guard etc were in cahoots with the Democrats, as they had intelligence about the plan to storm the Capitol, but they wanted it to happen as it would make Trump look bad.
So when the building was stormed, it wasn’t Trump supporters, but a bunch of infiltrators, whose intention it was to have a peaceful protest and just act if they were tourists, looking around inside.
And there was no way, Trump supporters could walk the couple of miles to take part. The National Guard weren’t deployed, again to make Trump look bad. But the same National Guard turned their backs on the incoming President, to make him look bad.
I think that’s it?
Trumps speech did nothing to incite demonstrators to violence & storm the Capitol, as they can’t be in two places at once. And they wouldn’t of been aware of tweets etc, made by Trump the days before, about Jan 6th. But let’s not draw that into the debate. So all his supporters were miles away listening to his speech.
Meanwhile the Black Lives Matters, Antifa etc were waiting patiently outside the Capitol, waiting for the right time to go.
The FBI & National Guard etc were in cahoots with the Democrats, as they had intelligence about the plan to storm the Capitol, but they wanted it to happen as it would make Trump look bad.
So when the building was stormed, it wasn’t Trump supporters, but a bunch of infiltrators, whose intention it was to have a peaceful protest and just act if they were tourists, looking around inside.
And there was no way, Trump supporters could walk the couple of miles to take part. The National Guard weren’t deployed, again to make Trump look bad. But the same National Guard turned their backs on the incoming President, to make him look bad.
I think that’s it?
No, I mean exactly what I wrote. The same techniques to obtain and retain power - the dividing of the nation and the vilification of some minority groups, the seeding and amplification of false news, etc., etc.
Trump hadn't been in power long enough embark on any mass murder schemes, and I doubt if any were ever on the agenda, although there's several hundred thousand US citizens who are now needlessly dead as a result of his actions..
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GBDamo
Trupm is responsible for the coof don't you know.
Or more accurately, he has mismanaged the response to coof causing tens of thousands of unnecessary fatalities.
An easy accusation to make as it requires no qualification, does not have to offer alternatives or more effective strategies.
Just stand on the sidelines chucking turds like the mindless chimps they are.
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nicebutdim
Joe Biden 15/10/2020:
"We're eight months into this pandemic and Donald Trump still doesn't have a plan to get this virus under control. I do."
Joe Biden 22/01/2021:
"There's nothing we can do to change the trajectory of this pandemic in the next several months."
The new administration in the US have launched a plan to vaccinate 1,000,000 people each day for 100 days. Sounds good until you consider, as pointed out by one journalist present at that press conference, that the previous administration had got the US vaccination programme to almost 950,000 per day in the previous week.
Democrat controlled states that had implemented severe lockdowns, have suddenly decided that getting businesses open is of the utmost importance. There's no doubting that Trump did much to warrant criticism, but anyone believing his political opponents to be a better bunch, are badly mistaken.
"We're eight months into this pandemic and Donald Trump still doesn't have a plan to get this virus under control. I do."
Joe Biden 22/01/2021:
"There's nothing we can do to change the trajectory of this pandemic in the next several months."
The new administration in the US have launched a plan to vaccinate 1,000,000 people each day for 100 days. Sounds good until you consider, as pointed out by one journalist present at that press conference, that the previous administration had got the US vaccination programme to almost 950,000 per day in the previous week.
Democrat controlled states that had implemented severe lockdowns, have suddenly decided that getting businesses open is of the utmost importance. There's no doubting that Trump did much to warrant criticism, but anyone believing his political opponents to be a better bunch, are badly mistaken.
so, I just googled coof. apparently it's slang for an idiot. so what's that got to do with anything?
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MDJ
Trump= The worse president ever, a nutter, however he is normal compaired to most Americans hence the reason why he is so popular lol, it was fun having him in office though, every day was hilarious, except when 5 people died storming the Capitol of course, that was a dark day
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GBDamo
Sorry, its become slang for the Chy-naa virus round these parts.
Never heard of coof or Chy-naa virus. What does it mean?
tink he means China virus as that's where it started.
The pole results. Though not finished I’m sure. Are interesting
18 yes
18 no
interested to hear from any of the 4 who thought he said nothing stupid.
18 yes
18 no
interested to hear from any of the 4 who thought he said nothing stupid.
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MDJ
you mean the 14, all right wingers no doubt lol, now where is the popcorn
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MDJ
How can a left winger seriously say trump has never said anything Stupid? come on admit it, he has said hundreds of Stupid things, how about can we drink bleach to kill the virus lol, surely that is stupid
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GBDamo
I've not, to my knowledge or intent, defended Trump. In fact I think he's a bit of a prat, sure I've posted that somewhere.
He's said many a dumb thing but more common is that he is misrepresented to make him look more foolish. He has been treated incredibly unfairly by the press, news and social media.
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MDJ
Seriously, just google "Trumps silly comments" some of the things are so stupid a 5 year old child has more sense, he is a complete clown, a buffoon, a simpleton, and the farce regarding the election being stolen highlights his intelligence, how anyone in their right mind can even suggest for one minute he was made to look more foolish must be kidding around surely.
Trump say silly things, No never.
"We're going to build a wall on the Mexican border and we will make the Mexicans pay for it"
Not a hope was there of that ever happening.
It's already 5 times over budget and if ever fully built at todays cost would be $40bn for the whole 2000 miles.
Guess who'll be paying for what they've spent on the wall now,, the American tax payers which includes my Son.
"We're gonna walk down to the Capitol (building) AND I'LL BE WITH YOU"
Not a hope was there of the Secret Service ever letting a serving President walk down the road with anyone.
"We're going to build a wall on the Mexican border and we will make the Mexicans pay for it"
Not a hope was there of that ever happening.
It's already 5 times over budget and if ever fully built at todays cost would be $40bn for the whole 2000 miles.
Guess who'll be paying for what they've spent on the wall now,, the American tax payers which includes my Son.
"We're gonna walk down to the Capitol (building) AND I'LL BE WITH YOU"
Not a hope was there of the Secret Service ever letting a serving President walk down the road with anyone.
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GBDamo
Which bit of the not defending Trump are you struggling with.
It is the disparity of treatment.
Look up the incoherent ramblings and senile fumbling of Joe Biden on the Internet and then look for the coverage on the news.
..and thats not even going near the corruption.
Watch the above ànd ask yourself, honestly, what would have happened if Trump had said the same.
To be fair he didn't set out to build a garden wall , more of a ---- off wall ?
I can understand any nation wanting to control their borders, we have some very good border controls, except Harridans Wall (only joking), but our 'wall' hasn't stopped migrants crossing the Channel. I seem to recall reading in the news, that they are already digging tunnels or something under the new bits of wall. Seems a bit of waste of money.
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Darkwood
I wish you would read my posts and stop trying to put words in my mouth, at no point have I said there were no Trump supporters in the riots on Capitol Hill.
I was clear in stating the Pelosi is pushing for an impeachment on Trump based on the speech of the Trump rally 2miles down from Capitol Hill, she was clear about it been that speech that she claims incited the disturbances on Capitol Hill, at no point did I mention nore did she about tweets prior to or following the breach of Capitol Hill.
I never said the National Guard were in Cahoots, the national Guard is a large body, I cited a piece that gave specific names of the local police Chief Commander and who he reported to, it was the failure of who he reported to that the national guard was not brought in.
There were several prominent arrests over the breach of Capitol Hill and through FB messenger and Twitter the FBI have found a pre organised intent to cause maximum disturbances with some information asking for members of the government and opposition to be kidnapped and or killed, on such person was a deluded Trump fan who was found with a hit list and arsenal of weapons, I never said there were no trump supporters involved, I clearly stated the the mainstream media were telling a very different story to that of what happened that day, leaving out the fact that many arrested were there who participated in the initial push and breach of Capitol Hill were indeed Antifa and BLM, some well known and already facing previous charges for rioting.
When the building was breached and people got in at some point security were filmed letting in people through 2 side doors, people simply followed the crowd at this stage and starting walking in and walking around, there was plenty of uploaded footing that show people walking about filming the building and surrounding while in other areas their were been violent.
The link to the guy I cited - his lengthy video even shows him talking to a journalist at the end admitting to pre arranging it and he says he was sorry he couldn't tell her too much (her been a journalist) but he also goes on to say, "I told you it was going to be epic or words to that effect, isn't this the best, I just couldn't tell you too much," his internet history directly links him to Antifa, BLM and it shows him organising with groups for this event and attack, he is not a Trump fan and he came equipped but like I keep saying, the media ignore any of these hardened violent protesters who had pre-planned it and continue to say the riots were a reaction to Trump's speech that day.
PS - I am not claiming conspiracy, the FBI were aware of intentions of known groups, it was even publicly announced they had intelligence on such matters yet did nothing, requested no back up and then denied it after, the FBI will have reported this to Pelosi given she was in the chair that day, so 2 scenarios
They did report their concern and Pelosi told them to do nothing or they didn't tell Pelosi which raises bigger questions.
If they didn't tell Pelosi then the Chief Commander reported to Pelosi's rep' for the national guard and he should have also reported it been a security issue of the building she was in.
Somebody somewhere made a conscious decision to ignore the preemptive threat alert or ignored the active threat alert and from the citation of the interview given by the Chief Commander it looks on Pelosi in both scenarios unless by massive coincidence she was never told by 2 departments that were there to warn of her of such security matters.
Take from this what you will but when the sequence of event do not add up and then we see an unconstitutional attempt to impeach Trump it does point consistently to political motivation was in play and when I say unconstitutional I mean they are trying to impeach a private citizen now which impeachment does not cover and they are trying to do it by subverting the law and Trump's rights to a fair hearing.. now that is corruption right there if I ever saw it, all to ensure he cannot run again in 4yrs time.
But Clinton conceded and congratulated Trump the day after the election SC. Although to be fair, she then moaned about it for the next 4 years.
But there was no challenge to the result as far as I’m aware, just the usual local count challenges and recounts.
Obama too congratulated Trump, he allowed full access to Trump and his team through the transition and was totally magnanimous and friendly through the inauguration. As was Michelle Obama.
Not the same really, is it?
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GBDamo
Hillary lost her composure so enormously when she lost because, not only did she think she would win, she knew she'd win.
She didn't even have a concession speech and didn't give one.
The same fix that Biden benefitted from was in for Hillary only the plug was pulled at the last minute, it appears that even the Dems didn't really want her.
If Trump only achieved one thing it was saving the world from that psychopath.
Thanks Donny.
You maybe right with the first part of this.
But I refuse to believe she could be worse than Trump, inconceivable.
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GBDamo
Almost impossible to prove, granted, but I'd posit there are more people alive in the middle East today than if Hillary was POTUS.
Who know, but we did get this.
Again, thanks Donny.
A lot of these Democrats see themselves as a political elite.
It serves their interests to whip up division and oppression whilst simultaneously presenting themselves as the guardians of the dispossessed and the disenfranchised .
Truth is they dont really want anything much to change because they want to continue harvesting that vote.
Throughout Trumps reign they have consistently shown a particularly nasty and cynical disregard for democracy
It serves their interests to whip up division and oppression whilst simultaneously presenting themselves as the guardians of the dispossessed and the disenfranchised .
Truth is they dont really want anything much to change because they want to continue harvesting that vote.
Throughout Trumps reign they have consistently shown a particularly nasty and cynical disregard for democracy
The problem with your posts, well my problem is you go on forever in your replies. If you can be more concise, perhaps we might get to the crux of the matter.
Correct. Darkwood has written the vast majority of the content and reading back through it I find little of substance . What's clear is he is a big fan of ex president Trump and believes he has been cheated out of an election by voter fraud. The fact that Trump's vice President, his own attorney General, (William Barr) said otherwise matters, little. The states where disputed votes supposedly took place were all republican controlled. They all stated there was no fraud. The judges agreed including the trump appointed ones. But in Trump's World facts could be overturned by "alternative facts" and conspiracy theories.
Anyone popping in to the forum for the first time would think he had inadvertently stumbled onto "Parler-lite"
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nicebutdim
Not quite.
From Wikipedia:
Pennsylvania:
On January 22, 2018, the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania mandated that the state's congressional map be redrawn, alleging that the current map was unconstitutionally drawn to favor Republicans and disenfranchise Democratic voters, a process known as gerrymandering. Less than one month later, a new congressional map was drawn and approved. The new map would take place in the May primaries.[3] With the new congressional map in place, Democrats had a net gain of three congressional seats, giving the Democratic Party half of Pennsylvania's congressional seats.
Michigan:
In 2018, the state electorate passed proposals to create an independent redistricting commission,
*Edit: I'm not sure if any redistricting took place in Michigan since that time
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