upstairs & down stairs????or Not!!

[Smilers]

Hi all just wondered if anybody else had seen this before? Ok i carried out a test on a domestic property only to find that the two Ring FC's had been wired so that one circuit was the front of the house both upstairs and downstairs and the 2nd circuit was the rear of the house approx 6-8 sockets on each RFC. I have seen before the landing socket being wired into the downstairs ring and vice versa for obvious reasons, but not front and back. The house is mid 80's build it has not had any extensions so the obvious is not a possibility. Cheers Gents:smile5:

 

[1shortcircuit]

Yes I have seen it on numerous occasions now:thumbsup

 

[FAA Greenie]

Seen all sorts of ways of wiring lighting and and ring main circuits. I always try to mix them up a bit if i can, front and back or left and right. if the cooker switch has a socket on it i put it on the opposite RCD to the downstairs ring so that should the downstairs ring fail, they have at least one socket that will work etc. So long as the CU labelling reflects what circuit is powered by what, it's good to let the customer have options should there be a failure, ie if the dining room lights fail, the living room lights will still be available....

 

[steve447]

A house i once lived in had had a extension which was a kitchen, when we redone the kitchen i was changing the sockets and went to the CU and pulled the fuse marked Kitchen..walked in flicked on the kettle nothing happened, so all good.
I was changing the sockets on one side of the room , my dad on the other all of sudden *BANG* and some swearing from my old man..turns out half of the kitchen was on that fuse and the other half of the kitchen was on the downstairs ring. From that moment i have always checked every point. He didnt half mess up my pliers.

 

[i=p/u]

when you go to most house there is no information of this, charts etc...... when making up one of these parts to you have to check all sockets and where thwey are comming from, seems very time consuming??? anyone

or would you just turn on fuse/mcb then plug in your socket tester??

 

[ian.settle1]

A house i once lived in had had a extension which was a kitchen, when we redone the kitchen i was changing the sockets and went to the CU and pulled the fuse marked Kitchen..walked in flicked on the kettle nothing happened, so all good.
I was changing the sockets on one side of the room , my dad on the other all of sudden *BANG* and some swearing from my old man..turns out half of the kitchen was on that fuse and the other half of the kitchen was on the downstairs ring. From that moment i have always checked every point. He didnt half mess up my pliers.

Just shows how not carrying out the correct procedure for an isolation can prove dangerous.

 

[telectrix]

yet i'll bet there's nobody on here ain't got a pair of cutters/pliers without skid marks to match his underpants.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

A house i once lived in had had a extension which was a kitchen, when we redone the kitchen i was changing the sockets and went to the CU and pulled the fuse marked Kitchen..walked in flicked on the kettle nothing happened, so all good.
I was changing the sockets on one side of the room , my dad on the other all of sudden *BANG* and some swearing from my old man..turns out half of the kitchen was on that fuse and the other half of the kitchen was on the downstairs ring. From that moment i have always checked every point. He didnt half mess up my pliers.

Steinels mate....everyware..everytime.......

 

[dingledong]

i wa told that was how houses were rewired in the old days, in 2 halves ,up and down front up and down back . so you would still have electric on each floor if the fuse blew

 

[robsparky1975]

i wa told that was how houses were rewired in the old days, in 2 halves ,up and down front up and down back . so you would still have electric on each floor if the fuse blew

Yep when the 2nd ammendment comes out in a couple of years this is probably what they will come up with lol

 

[Des 56]

i wa told that was how houses were rewired in the old days, in 2 halves ,up and down front up and down back . so you would still have electric on each floor if the fuse blew

In the old days,folks were lucky to get a socket on the landing and one each in the lounge and kitchen,singles as well
Even luckier if they had something they could plug into them

 

[Rockingit]

In the old days,folks were lucky to get a socket on the landing and one each in the lounge and kitchen,singles as well
Even luckier if they had something they could plug into them

And a generation or two later, look where we are: multiple radials and rings, lights up and down, dedicated safety circuits, choices of protection, sockets everywhere......and still naff all on the telly when you plug it in!

 

[Deleted member 9648]

And a generation or two later, look where we are: multiple radials and rings, lights up and down, dedicated safety circuits, choices of protection, sockets everywhere......and still naff all on the telly when you plug it in!

Currently doing a kitchen extension....10 appliance radials....2 rings...2 sockets radials...3 lighting circuits..smokes....just in the kitchen....Whatever happened to a couple of sockets,cooker and a 5ft flu on the ceiling?:ninja:

 

[ezzzekiel]

quite common in some areas makes fault finding a bit of a pain initially but otherwise no different

 

[steve-the-hat]

Whatever happened to a couple of sockets,cooker and a 5ft flu on the ceiling?

Don't forget it would be one of those square ccus with a massive backbox! I hacked dozens of those into Accrington brick with a cold chisel.

 

[Engineer54]

Currently doing a kitchen extension....10 appliance radials....2 rings...2 sockets radials...3 lighting circuits..smokes....just in the kitchen....Whatever happened to a couple of sockets,cooker and a 5ft flu on the ceiling?:ninja:

What's that for, The Hilton Hotels kitchen?? I don't think we have that many circuits in our commercial kitchen on this project!!! What are those 10 appliance circuits actually feeding, for them to need dedicated radials??

There's no-way that's a domestic kitchen ...lol!!!

 

[Deleted member 9648]

What's that for, The Hilton Hotels kitchen?? I don't think we have that many circuits in our commercial kitchen on this project!!! What are those 10 appliance circuits actually feeding, for them to need dedicated radials??

There's no-way that's a domestic kitchen ...lol!!!

Tis' mate...there's a hob,top spec microwave,steam oven,normal oven,3 warming drawers,,electric aga,american style fridge,american style matching wine chiller...all appliance manufacturers specs recommend dedicated circuits,although all the warming drawers could really go on a 30a radial,might as well run separate 20a radials as manufacturers spec...Oh,and forgot to mention no less than 3 floor heating circuits going in as well!

 

[trev]

i wa told that was how houses were rewired in the old days, in 2 halves ,up and down front up and down back . so you would still have electric on each floor if the fuse blew

The housing company in Newcastle were still putting left and right rings on their spec about three years ago when I was subbing for Mears

 

[hasel5]

If we do a new build we still wire a small 3 bed with a kitchen ring and an up and down ring for the rest of sockets saves a lot of cable and time believe me

 

[stuart569]

How can wiring an extra ring save cable?or time?A waste of cable and time imo

 

[D Skelton]

yet i'll bet there's nobody on here ain't got a pair of cutters/pliers without skid marks to match his underpants.

Not yet, but the end of my thumb is still numb after almost a year!

 

[PC Electrics]

My house is wired 'left and right' for sockets. One rfc does the lounge and two beds above plus landing and one kitchen socket. The other does the dining / utility / kitchen and the two beds above plus hallway (the house has a central hs&l). It's quite a good layout because the kitchen and utility are nearer the centre of the rfc as it is than they would have been if it were split up/down