Certificate for additional certificate

[Numb]

say I installed a new cooker cercuit to an existing installation and the customer wants a certificate for the work done do i need to test all the other circuits and record all results for the full instal or just test the circuit I installed and record that also if ther is no main bonding to gas + water do they have to get this installed before certificate can be issued or can I just do a cirtificate for the circuit I installed ? by the way this is a made up Sanorio I’m studying 2391 at college just getting my head around certification

 

[TJ Anderson]

You would do an EIC as it is a new circuit. You would just put the circuit that you have installed on it.
If main protective bonding was required, You would need to ensure it was satisfactory.

 

[Numb]

So in this circumstance the customer refuses to pay for bonding to be installed what would be the correct action to take, leeve the new circuit you installed isolated or is it down to the installer to make sure main bonding is in place when installing the cooker circuit?

 

[TJ Anderson]

You said this was a 2391 scenario lol? Have you installed it already and the bonding's not there? Is is not just undersized?

 

[telectrix]

So in this circumstance the customer refuses to pay for bonding to be installed what would be the correct action to take, leeve the new circuit you installed isolated or is it down to the installer to make sure main bonding is in place when installing the cooker circuit?

if customer refuses to pay for earthing/bonding to be installed,then you'd advise that you can't carry out the work. end of.

 

[Numb]

No was goin thru certification an they say if your adding a new cercuit to an existing installation you have to do initial verification but I don’t get if I went to an house say they wanted a new cooker point puttin in so you install the new cercuit then test your work but the EIC requires satafactory bonding but you find the install as no bonding who’s that down to to cuz you have already give a quote for the cooker then you turn around an tell them it’s going to be X amount to install bonding before I can energise the circuit they will be like on ya bike so my question is what do ya do ere lol

 

[Baddegg]

You would have checked that when you priced the job....if you didn’t you’d be doing it for free afterwards

 

[westward10]

It should be part of the quote, you check first and make it inclusive if necessary. It is required for ADS.

 

[TJ Anderson]

Just thinking on this . I suppose you could check if the new Cooker can simultaneously be touched together with any extraneous parts. If it is not then technically you have not made the installation any less safe by adding the cooker circuit and bonding is not relevant to the part you have installed. You would need to write that on EIC though and tick N/A for bonding.

Just seen it says you're from Manchester. ...the respectable thing to do would be to take the cash and not issue a cert surely lol

 

[westward10]

Without main protective bonding your new circuit will not fulfil ADS requirements.

 

[Fitzy]

Before you install ANY circuit to an existing installation, you would check for bonding etc during your initial visit, before you quote for the job or if you quote without doing an initial verification (very unwise), you would check for bonding before you even think about installing the first part of cable.

 

[telectrix]

Without main protective bonding your new circuit will not fulfil ADS requirements.

ADS relies on main protective earthing. bonding is irrelevant.

 

[Risteard]

ADS relies on main protective earthing. bonding is irrelevant.

Protective earthing and protective equipotential bonding are both essential parts of ADS. Remember it used to be called EEBAD/EEBADS.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Protective Equipotential Bonding is not required for ADS.
Earthing on the other hand, is required, unless you use an RCD for fault protection.