Channel 5 - Illegals: Breaking into Britain

[Guest77]

I'm entitled to my opinion and you're not going to silence me.

Yeah Fairplay, thats very true Adam.

 

[Adam W]

In a nuthell, yes.

Seriously? You're just sticking your fingers in your ears on this one?

Calais immigration camp to be razed to the ground by police in brutal eviction of 1000 migrants - Mirror Online
Inside the Calais makeshift migrant camps | UK news | The Observer
French riot police detain hundreds of migrants in Calais dawn raid - Europe - World - The Independent
Calais migrants 'becoming more violent' in attempts to reach Britain - Telegraph
Calais migrants try to stow away in Britons? caravans | The Times
Illegal immigrants storm Calais ferry heading to England | The Sun |News
I think that's nearly all the papers. I didn't bother including the Mail because I know you don't believe anything they publish.

 

[trev]

ADAM, IT'S A TV PROGRAMME MAN!
Do you believe that Ross Kemp can find criminals better than a national police force?
Do you believe that CSI is real?
Do you think that Dr Who is possible?
I'm guessing the answers will be no so why can't you see through the male bovine excrement that the TV companies feed the population?
I mean, come on, you're obviously a fairly clever bloke. So why?

 

[Adam W]

trev I don't understand how you can just dismiss something which is in all the papers as fiction. One or two of them might offer a different angle depending on their viewpoint but when they're all telling you that the same thing is happening the logical thing to assume is that they're telling you what's going on, not all conspiring together to hoodwink you.

As hard as it might be to believe, those animals on David Attenborough's programmes are all real. No animatronics or CGI, they just turned up with a camera and filmed what was there.

 

[trev]

Adam, it's not the fact that it exists that I dispute mate. I know it does.
It's the scale of it that I dispute.

 

[Barry White]

I remember when i was about 10 they made a documentary about our village called a dyeing village they paid some of my mates a £1 to smash glass bottles in the street and paid me and a mate £2 each to have a fight (they did not use the fight in the documentary thank god my dad would have killed me)
I wonder if they still do the same wouldn't put it past them anything for a story. so will be half fact and half fiction in my eyes.

And about illegals claiming, illegal immigrants will get benefits if they claim asylum, and everyone in the uk will get free medical treatment regardless. If they remain illegals how can they claim? without getting caught unless they have good fake papers(anyone can work for a while with fake papers) and once caught and put on the system its differs some are sent straight back but others without passports have to be processed and are often released having to report to immigration weekly and often dissapear again .

How do I know? had a load of agency workers working onsite when UK border agency arrested them seen some of them since who are waiting to be deported. The no passport is the problem time this was sorted.

 

[trev]

illegal immigrants will get benefits if they claim asylum

I'm not sure how this fits in to the rest of your post mate but I have to say that that sentence is nonsense.
An illegal immigrant cannot claim any sort of benefit, if they did they would alert the authorities to their presence in this country.
An asylum seeker also cannot claim benefits until they are granted the right of abode, until that is granted they get very basic allowances but not in cash, they are given a supervised place to stay with basic subsistence level items provided for them

 

[Andy78]

trev I don't understand how you can just dismiss something which is in all the papers as fiction. One or two of them might offer a different angle depending on their viewpoint but when they're all telling you that the same thing is happening the logical thing to assume is that they're telling you what's going on, not all conspiring together to hoodwink you.

As hard as it might be to believe, those animals on David Attenborough's programmes are all real. No animatronics or CGI, they just turned up with a camera and filmed what was there.

Hate to do this as I love everything this man has ever done, but a lot of what you see in nature documentaries is not "real"

Nearly all sound effects are reproduced in studios with people crunching their hands into cat litter trays full of cornflakes and splashing in water etc. This is because a lot of nature photography is filmed long range and microphones cannot get close to the action.
It is also standard practice to stage a lot of the close ups that you see in studios. Fake burrows and hives etc have been used for many years, and to great effect. The BBC have admitted to this many times, as has Sir David himself, and make it no excuses for it, saying that it leads to a much better overall result than could otherwise have been achieved.

I certainly don't feel cheated, or feel that I could compare this style of editing and control to the manipulation and skewed reporting in a documentary about people. It's a different kettle of fish.
Not that Attenborough ever filmed fish in a kettle that I know of.

 

[Barry White]

Originally Posted by mykey
illegal immigrants will get benefits if they claim asylum

I'm not sure how this fits in to the rest of your post mate but I have to say that that sentence is nonsense.
An illegal immigrant cannot claim any sort of benefit, if they did they would alert the authorities to their presence in this country.
An asylum seeker also cannot claim benefits until they are granted the right of abode, until that is granted they get very basic allowances but not in cash, they are given a supervised place to stay with basic subsistence level items provided for them

an asylum seeker is an illegal immigrant until they claim asylum most claim asylum as soon as they enter and see https://www.gov.uk/asylum-support They can claim this gives them up to 6 months to settle and if refused they dissapear and work illegally.

and your first point did I not say that Quote "If they remain illegals how can they claim? without getting caught unless they have good fake papers(anyone can work for a while with fake papers)"

 

[specs]

Originally Posted by mykey
illegal immigrants will get benefits if they claim asylum



an asylum seeker is an illegal immigrant until they claim asylum most claim asylum as soon as they enter and see https://www.gov.uk/asylum-support They can claim this gives them up to 6 months to settle and if refused they dissapear and work illegally.

and your first point did I not say that Quote "If they remain illegals how can they claim? without getting caught unless they have good fake papers(anyone can work for a while with fake papers)"

Anyone can work,Fullstop. Take a trip to London and visit places like Selco or just drive along Criclewood broadway about 6/7AM, there are hundreds of them. They get work and then live on the job or they beg/busk or steal. They stand outside petrol stations trying to con people out of money by claiming to have run out of fuel. The list of their cons is endless.