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Wow. So much to unpack here.

Firstly - I was actually there, COP26. Actually inside, working with, talking with the people mentioned - everyone from scientists to politicians both from the UK and every corner of the globe.

Climate change is not a hoax, conspiracy theory or something cooked up to extract more money from us; put simply we are where we are. A century of developed/ing nations has inadvertantly changed our environment - forever - and we have no realistic option as a species with which we can reverse that. The only thing we can do is make a choice as to how bad we allow it to get. And it is a choice. We can choose one course of action and hope to limit climate temperature rise to 1.5C, in which various bad things still happen, or we can adopt other choices which see us hitting 3C, 4C.... with increasing levels of catastrophy from which there is still no way back.

Last year due to covid global output fell by 25%, yet CO2 emissions only fell by 8%. That gives you an enourmity of the scale of the problem. 1cuM of concrete production produces 250Kg3 of CO2 - think about that the next time you're on site and you'll realise the drop in the ocean that is the recycling box you put out last night whilst yelling at the kids to turn off lights.

@telectrix is quite right - Methane in the environment is 20ish times more warming than CO2, one of the reasons we're being encouraged to revue our relationship with food and farming, however it only lasts around 18years in the atmosphere - CO2 has a significantly longer half life.

Sadly, what I learned is that whilst science tells us the nature of the problem, the 'fixes' are political. And politics, whatever your colour and flavour may be, is selfish and greedy. The kind of decisions that need to be made are properly harsh, but no developing nation wants to stop building, no country with coal reserves is going to abandon them (coal being about 25% of total global CO2 emissions) and no government wants to be the one to take away the childrens (as in, you and me) toys. Add to that the various levels of corruption and deceit that undoubtedly go on as well (just look at our own Govt for that!) and you begin to see the real issues.

I'll leave this with one last sobering thought: There is an island Nation, a proud intelligent educated people just like us Brits (actually IS part of the Commonwealth, I think), called Tuvalu. Only a small country, population around 12,000. By 2070 - that's within the lifetime of some of you reading this - it will have disappeared. It's literally sinking into the sea because of rising sea levels. Existing for as long as humans have, yet snuffed out in moments. An entire country. And I was told, by one of them, to get on a plane and go and see them whilst they still exist. Buying a carbon offset to do so, naturally.
 
Climate change is not a hoax, conspiracy theory or something cooked up to extract more money from us; put simply we are where we are.
Two things are happening at the same time.

[1] Fossil fuels are running out.

[2] Earth’s climate is changing. Our planet has gone through three (3) major climate changes; from being covered in ice to a heat wave back to ice.

Facts never lie; only people do; or they are just mistaken----

Splitting Of The Polar Vortex: The Arctic Is Melting In The Dead Of Winter


Models show the temperature is above freezing at the North Pole.

Despite the North Pole being shrouded in darkness for another month, temperatures in the Arctic have soared by as much as 45 degrees Fahrenheit above average. This has brought temperatures above freezing in February in one of the coldest places on Earth.
https://tinyurl.com/yc9q9y73

The North Pole just had an extreme heat wave for the 3rd winter in a row
As snow falls in Rome, the Arctic is getting alarmingly hot in the middle of winter.


It’s been downright toasty at the North Pole, at least by Arctic standards.

The northernmost weather station in the world, Cape Morris Jesup in Greenland, saw temperatures stay above freezing for almost 24 hours straight last week, and then climb to 43 degrees Fahrenheit (6.1 degrees Celsius) on Saturday before dropping again.
https://tinyurl.com/ycglzywj

The Arctic recently sent us a powerful message about climate change

Arctic scientists aren’t usually afraid of a little cold. Windy conditions don’t usually get us howling. The beasts we pay attention to are usually polar bears. But last week’s “Beast from the East” triggered a few anxious conversations.

Social media memes aside, our problem isn’t this one extreme weather event per se. Our key fear is that the Beast isn’t really from the East – its birthplace was farther north.
https://tinyurl.com/yconampf

Hasn't Earth warmed and cooled naturally throughout history?
Author: David Herring and Rebecca Lindsey
October 29, 2020

Yes. Earth has experienced cold periods (or “ice ages”) and warm periods (“interglacials”) on roughly 100,000-year cycles for at least the last 1 million years. The last of these ices ended around 20,000 years ago.
Hasn't Earth warmed and cooled naturally throughout history? | NOAA Climate.gov

Earth has been a snowball and a hothouse at different times in its past. So if the climate changed before humans, how can we be sure we’re responsible for the dramatic warming that’s happening today?
How Earth’s Climate Changes Naturally (and Why Things Are Different Now) | Quanta Magazine

The largest global-scale climate variations in Earth’s recent geological past are the ice age cycles (see infobox, p.B4), which are cold glacial periods followed by shorter warm periods . The last few of these natural cycles have recurred roughly every 100,000 years.

Recent estimates of the increase in global average temperature since the end of the last ice age are 4 to 5 °C (7 to 9 °F).
That change occurred over a period of about 7,000 years, starting 18,000 years ago. CO2 has risen more than 40% in just the past 200 years, much of this since the 1970s, contributing to human alteration of the planet’s energy budget that has so far warmed Earth by about 1 °C (1.8 °F). If the rise in CO2 continues unchecked, warming of the same magnitude as the increase out of the ice age can be expected by the end of this century or soon after. This speed of warming is more than ten times that at the end of an ice age, the fastest known natural sustained change on a global scale.
6. Climate is always changing. Why is climate change of concern now? | Royal Society

The Snowball Earth hypothesis proposes that during one or more of Earth's icehouse climates, Earth's surface became entirely or nearly entirely frozen
Snowball Earth - Wikipedia

Snowball Earth: The times our planet was covered in ice

Ancient rocks suggest that ice entirely covered our planet on at least two occasions. This theory may help explain the rise of complex life that followed.

The Earth has endured many changes in its 4.5-billion-year history, with some tumultuous twists and turns along the way. One especially dramatic episode appears to have come between 700 million and 600 million years ago, when scientists think ice smothered the entire planet, from the poles to the equator — twice in quick succession.
Climate Change is not alone, changers on the way 1637856798865 - EletriciansForums.net

The story of Snowball Earth | Astronomy.com

WHAT CAN WE DO ABOUT THIS?

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Has anyone seen the documentary called "Planet of the humans"?

It made many of the national headlines when it was condemned by environmentalists and banned from youtube at 1 point and many tried to see it banned and have it censored (I wonder why)
Some of the technology in it has moved on but i'd be interested on anyones opinion if you have seen it?
 
Fossil fuels are running out
You might get more respect if you didn't open your post with complete and utter bol....rubbish.

Fossil fuels are far from running out - the people who claim they are simply have zero clue what the difference is between resources and reserves.
If the same naysayers had veen right when I was at school, we'd have already run out of oil. But we haven't - because they were confusing reserves with resources. But what happens is that as we use up reserves (those resources that have been identified and have a plan for extraction) get used - at some point someone will decide it's worth looking for more resources and converting them to reserves.
So for something like 5 decades, I can recall the message being "oil will run out in 40 years". It hasn't because people have been converting resources to reserves as we've been using those reserves.
 
You might get more respect if you didn't open your post with complete and utter bol....rubbish.

Fossil fuels are far from running out - the people who claim they are simply have zero clue what the difference is between resources and reserves.

The people who repeat this claim have zero clue - the people that get them to repeat it are well aware of the difference.
 
You might get more respect if you didn't open your post with complete and utter bol....rubbish.
Fossil fuels are far from running out
It seems China knows more than you do---
May 25, 2020
A closer look at China--
China Is Set to Become The World's Renewable Energy Superpower, According To New Report
Jan 11, 2019, 07:21am
The continuing growth in renewable energy around the world is set to boost the power of China
while undermining the influence of major oil exporters such as Russia and Middle East states like Saudi Arabia, according to a new report on the geopolitical implications of the changing energy landscape.

“No country has put itself in a better position to become the world’s renewable energy superpower than China,” says the report, which was issued by the Global Commission on the Geopolitics of Energy Transformation – a group chaired by a former president of Iceland, Olafur Grimsson.

The commission was set up by the International Renewable Energy Agency (IRENA) last year and its findings were published on January 11 in Abu Dhabi, at IRENA’s annual assembly.

The report points out that China has taken a lead in renewable energy and is now the world’s largest producer, exporter and installer of solar panels, wind turbines, batteries and electric vehicles.

China also has a clear lead in terms of the underlying technology, with well over 150,000 renewable energy patents as of 2016, 29% of the global total. The next closest country is the U.S., which had a little over 100,000 patents, with Japan and the E.U. having closer to 75,000 patents each.


“The renewables revolution enhances the global leadership of China, reduces the influence of fossil fuel exporters and brings energy independence to countries around the world,” said Grimsson, speaking at the launch of the report. “The transformation of energy brings big power shifts.”

Many of these governments are well aware of the risks they face and have been making significant investments into renewable energy in recent years. For example, the UAE has developed vast solar energy parks and Saudi Arabia recently unveiled plans to develop 59GW of renewable energy by 2030.

Stressing a more optimistic view, Adnan Amin, director general of IRENA, said at the launch of the report that “The global energy transformation driven by renewables can reduce energy-related geopolitical tensions as we know them and will foster greater cooperation between states. This transformation can also mitigate social, economic and environmental challenges that are often among the root causes of geopolitical instability and conflict.”
China Is Set To Become The World's Renewable Energy Superpower, According To New Report

China plans ban on petrol and diesel cars
China plans ban on petrol and diesel cars

China looks at ending sales of gasoline cars
China looks at ending sales of gasoline cars

China to ban all petrol and diesel cars
China to ban all petrol and diesel cars

China to plow $361 billion into renewable fuel by 2020 | Reuters
China to plow $361 billion into renewable fuel by 2020 - Reuters

facts will set you free :)-
 
EXCLUSIVE: Expert warns that N. Sea oil exploration will dry up in 12 years time; meanwhile new Mariner field to support 1,500 east of Shetland jobs
“And by 2030, spending on North Sea oil exploration will have dwindled to virtually zero.
EXCLUSIVE: Expert warns that N. Sea oil exploration will dry up in 12 years time; meanwhile new Mariner field to support 1,500 east of Shetland jobsScottish Energy News | Scottish Energy News - https://tinyurl.com/xftxeb96

Fracked Shale Oil Wells Drying Up Faster than Predicted, Wall Street Journal Finds
Jan 10, 2019

Those 1.3 million-barrel wells, the Journal reported, “now appear to be on a pace to produce about 482,000 barrels” apiece — a little over a third of what Pioneer told investors they could deliver.

In Texas’ famed Permian Basin, now the nation’s most productive shale oil field, where Pioneer predicted 960,000 barrels from each of its shale wells in 2015, the Journal concluded that those “wells are now on track to produce about 720,000 barrels” each.


Not only are the wells already drying up at a much faster rate than the company predicted,

“Two-thirds of projections made by the fracking companies between 2014 and 2017 in America’s four hottest drilling regions appear to have been overly optimistic, according to the analysis of some 16,000 wells operated by 29 of the biggest producers in oil basins in Texas and North Dakota,” it reported. “Collectively, the companies that made projections are on track to pump nearly 10 percent less oil and gas than they forecast for those areas, according to the analysis of data from Rystad Energy AS, an energy consulting firm.”

Fracked Shale Oil Wells Drying Up Faster than Predicted, Wall Street Journal Finds - https://tinyurl.com/56k2hczt
 
It seems China knows more than you do---
...
facts will set you free :)-
They would if you allowed them into your life.
As I suggested, you are full of rubbish - and now you've been called out on the facts, you're trying the age old tactic of diversion by posting true but totally irrelevant facts in a hope that people won't realise that they in no way whatsoever support your argument or disprove your opponent's.

The reality is that fossil fuels are very far from running out. Pointing out that China, along with so many other countries, is heading on a route to reduce/stop their use does nothing to disprove that - it merely shows that they see reasons for using something else. So China investing heavily in renewables and banning petrol/diesel powered cars supports the theory that fossil fuels are running out in exactly the same way that me looking in the fridge and seeing no bacon proves that we're all going to starve (hint, turn to section 5 on page 28 where it explains in more detail what a "reserve" is and why we always have "X will run out in some alarmingly short time").

A snippet from the introduction :
The scene is an early morning current affairs radio show. Very important people talk to the nation here.
Evan Humphries (for it is he): “Mr. Worstall, why is it that your new report shows that soon all will be dead?”
Worstall: “Evan, it’s 7 am. Currently there is food in the fridges of the nation for breakfast. But in two hours time that will be eaten, gone, there will be no more. Therefore everyone will die because NO BREAKFAST.”
...


The book is mostly talking about things other than fossil fuels, but the argument is exactly the same. People are talking about reserves and falsely saying that they will run out in X years - which is complete and utter bollo***. Now you've attempted to divert attention now you've been called in that by pointing out that places are shifting from fossil fuels to renewables - and as an aside, China is big into nuclear. That's merely a substitution - the market has been adjusted so as to make fossil fuels more "expensive" (which is not just the monetary cost) and so it's swinging towards a substitute which has been manipulated to be more attractive. It says nothing whatsoever about the actual amount of the fossil fuel resources still in the ground, nothing, zero, zilch, ...

So, do you actually have anything but "luny fringe greeny" rhetoric to add, or can you hold a reasoned and logical discussion that is relevant to the topic ?
 
They would if you allowed them into your life.
As I suggested, you are full of rubbish - and now you've been called out on the facts, you're trying the age old tactic of diversion by posting true but totally irrelevant facts in a hope that people won't realise that they in no way whatsoever support your argument or disprove your opponent's.
sIMON SAYS
 
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Below is what I have found. You can do the math​

Globally, crude's reserves-to-production ratio has hovered between 40-55 years. (Then the well runs dry)

How Much Oil Does the World Have Left? - https://tinyurl.com/yd7cfczq
https://tinyurl.com/yd7cfczqv

The above is saying, all the known oil reserves will be sucked up and burned within 40-55 years.

What so many people fail re realize is the there are two (2) dynamics going on here
which on the surface seem unrelated which is our biggest mistake

World Oil Reserves
1,650,585,140,000 barrels

47 years of oil left
(at current consumption levels)
World Oil Statistics - Worldometer (worldometers.info)

This means, at current consumption all the known oil reserves will be sucked up and burned in 47 years.


This may not concern you because you will not be around then; but your grandchildren will !!

Fighting climate change and discovering new renewable energy resources are fighting to achieve the same thing. The survival of the human race.

The end of the Fossil Fuel era is upon us so what are we going to do next-?

I think it is time for us to look around at other countries who see the end of oil around the corner----------------

China plans ban on petrol and diesel cars

China looks at ending sales of gasoline cars

China to ban all petrol and diesel cars

China to plow $361 billion into renewable fuel by 2020 | Reuters
China to plow $361 billion into renewable fuel by 2020 - https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-energy-renewables/china-to-plow-361-billion-into-renewable-fuel-by-2020-idUSKBN14P06P

(a Berlin-based think tank) and Clean Energy Wire (an associated communications team) announced that renewable electricity “probably” covered more than 90 percent of power demand at 58 GW for a couple of hours on Sunday. Germany nearly reached 100 percent renewable power on Sunday | Energy Transition - https://tinyurl.com/mm9zkt7

People are cutting the use of fossil fuels and learning how to use renewables when in fact at current consumption rates the world well suck up and burn all known reserves in 40-50 years.

Then what?
 
We all got to try and stop burning stuff, there's no planet B. You dont have to be a genius to see whats happening..
We have the technology but not the global will as its cheaper and easier to keep doing what we've been doing since the industrial revolution. The rich countries should help the developing ones.
The difference is that we now know what they didnt about the environment and climate change back in 1800 - yet we still have the attitude that it wont happen, or "it wont affect us"! The uk, so far, has been relatively fortunate due to its geographical location.

Never mind what you read in the papers and what fred says down the pub, look around you - the ice caps are melting, global flooding and wildfires, unseasonal droughts etc.. wake up and smell the fumes, or they'll get you in the end, when its too late!
Here endeth the first lesson..
 
.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,ClimateChange.,.,.,.,.,

Below is what I have found. You can do the math​

Globally, crude's reserves-to-production ratio has hovered between 40-55 years. (Then the well runs dry)

How Much Oil Does the World Have Left? - https://tinyurl.com/yd7cfczq
https://tinyurl.com/yd7cfczqv

The above is saying, all the known oil reserves will be sucked up and burned within 40-55 years.

What so many people fail re realize is the there are two (2) dynamics going on here
which on the surface seem unrelated which is our biggest mistake

World Oil Reserves
1,650,585,140,000 barrels

47 years of oil left
(at current consumption levels)
World Oil Statistics - Worldometer (worldometers.info)

This means, at current consumption all the known oil reserves will be sucked up and burned in 47 years.


This may not concern you because you will not be around then; but your grandchildren will !!

Fighting climate change and discovering new renewable energy resources are fighting to achieve the same thing. The survival of the human race.

The end of the Fossil Fuel era is upon us so what are we going to do next-?

I think it is time for us to look around at other countries who see the end of oil around the corner----------------

China plans ban on petrol and diesel cars

China looks at ending sales of gasoline cars

China to ban all petrol and diesel cars

China to plow $361 billion into renewable fuel by 2020 | Reuters
China to plow $361 billion into renewable fuel by 2020 - https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-energy-renewables/china-to-plow-361-billion-into-renewable-fuel-by-2020-idUSKBN14P06P

(a Berlin-based think tank) and Clean Energy Wire (an associated communications team) announced that renewable electricity “probably” covered more than 90 percent of power demand at 58 GW for a couple of hours on Sunday. Germany nearly reached 100 percent renewable power on Sunday | Energy Transition - https://tinyurl.com/mm9zkt7

People are cutting the use of fossil fuels and learning how to use renewables when in fact at current consumption rates the world well suck up and burn all known reserves in 40-50 years.

Then what?
Oil wont run out.

As cheap to extract oil is exhausted the price will increase.

As the price rises previously uneconomical sources become viable for extraction.

Now something odd happens, as investment and technological advances happen the price of oil falls as extraction costs fall until this source is also exhausted.

Rinse and repeat for a good few hundred years.

Oil is not running out any rme soon but it will become more expensive in a three steps forward, two steps back kind of way.

Also adding to price volatility is market loss, as the price goes up consumers will, where practicable, move to either another energy source (LNG) or another technology (EVs).

Especially with EVs once the car manufacturers have tooled up and the infrastructure is in place there will be no return to ICEs.

Finally oil is one of the most corrupted and manipulated markets ever to exist. We, as mere mortals, do not have access to the real information to form valid conclusions.

As for renewables, wind and solar are not the answer and to explain why would be insulting.

Why we abandoned nuclear is a mystery.

Why we are not exploiting Thorium is a crime and can only lead one to the conclusion that the whole energy market is rigged to extract the absolute maximum from the consumer without collapsing the economy.

We a literally being bent over a barrel.
 
We all got to try and stop burning stuff, there's no planet B. You dont have to be a genius to see whats happening..

No, but you do have to be a "Scientist". Most people live a fairly sheltered life and have no real handle on wat is happening, they either listen to the news and fully accept Man Made climate change or they don't.
We have the technology but not the global will as its cheaper and easier to keep doing what we've been doing since the industrial revolution.

Fosil fuels are maintained as they are controllable, in that the price and supply can be manipulated.

The common plebeian has absolutely zero control over these things we can no more change national energy policy than change the tides.

Yes, you get some middle class boomer retiree who fits solar panels and a heat pump, buys fair trade coffee from Booths and is convinced he's making a difference, he's not, he's simply trying to assuage his guilt for selling the planet down the river.
The rich countries should help the developing ones.

When we intervene were colonialists when we don't were heartless.

Absolute logic would suggest the best course of action would be to not help developing countries develop, and thus add to the climates woes?
The difference is that we now know what they didnt about the environment and climate change back in 1800 - yet we still have the attitude that it wont happen, or "it wont affect us"! The uk, so far, has been relatively fortunate due to its geographical location.

Ah the, its happening somewhere else, honest, approach.
Never mind what you read in the papers and what fred says down the pub, look around you -

Oh I do, and do you know what I see?

The rich and powerful still buying beach side property, flying to climate conferences in private jets or personal yatchs.
the ice caps are melting, global flooding and wildfires, unseasonal droughts etc.. wake up and smell the fumes, or they'll get you in the end, when its too late!
Here endeth the first lesson..
No they're not, we'll, some do, some don't.

Haven't the time at the moment can expand if you wish
 
I can never understand why all the climate science has such a narrow base mostly focused around the last 200 - 250 years when the earth has evolved to what it is today from an ice age that ended circa 11,700 years ago and is according to some sources now overdue another ice age if that was to happen is the climate evolution we are experiencing now just a redistribution of all the water before it freezes.
If you open out the science then why not take into account all the the other forces within the solar system that carbon zero will have no effect on yet can have a lot to do with how our climate is changing

The question is can we hold back or make nature deviate from it's natural course
 
I can never understand why all the climate science has such a narrow base mostly focused around the last 200 - 250 years when the earth has evolved to what it is today from an ice age that ended circa 11,700 years ago and is according to some sources now overdue another ice age if that was to happen is the climate evolution we are experiencing now just a redistribution of all the water before it freezes.
If you open out the science then why not take into account all the the other forces within the solar system that carbon zero will have no effect on yet can have a lot to do with how our climate is changing

The question is can we hold back or make nature deviate from it's natural course
In short it is because it is a classic case of making the science fit a theory, the antithesis of true science.

Interesting you mention 11700 years, here's a plot of climatic activity around that time.

Climate Change is not alone, changers on the way younger_dryas_graph - EletriciansForums.net


Oh and that tiny uptick at the end is what has Greta pi55ing her panties over.

Not so much a storm in a teacup, more the ripples from a fly landing in your tea.
 

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