EICR minimum for rental properties

[NellyManjaro]

Just a quick one

I have done many EICR tests with the latest legislation regarding rentals BUT I have had a few phone calls from estate agents/landlords asking me to look at a certificate they have...

Many a time they are 2/3 pages with next to no info

One just now is 2 pages with no schedule of inspections or schedule of results... looks like a waste of paper to me

Now I know I can't specifically do anything but my advise to the letting agent is to get it done properly because IMO that isn't a certificate and with them being responsible they need to cover their behinds

Am I right in saying this? I'm sure the blank certificates in the regs are the minimum information required on a certificate

Ill add photos. I hope it works (there's should be 2 attached)

Thanks

 

[stevethesparks]

Worthless piece of paper no doubt encouraged by the estate agents pressure with low rates. Could have filled that in better laying in bed.

 

[westward10]

It isn't a Certificate but a Report and BS7671 states it is not complete unless a schedule of test results accompanies it.

 

[Deleted account]

I never use the supplied observation space as there is not enough room to fully explain in simple terms.
dispite this I never leave it blank. I write across the space please refer to page ???.

if ever there was nothing to report ( however unlikely) I would state that the instal is fully compliant in the observation page. although it’s never happened.


what is that under agreed limitations “Ebbal”. .?

 

[Strima]

Invalid without a schedule of inspection and test results.

 

[Flanders]

I never use the supplied observation space as there is not enough room to fully explain in simple terms.
dispite this I never leave it blank. I write across the space please refer to page ???.

if ever there was nothing to report ( however unlikely) I would state that the instal is fully compliant in the observation page. although it’s never happened.


what is that under agreed limitations “Ebbal”. .?

When I first looked I thought it said EBADS not sure but firstly it's in the wrong section and secondly its now ADS. These EICRs are just getting worse they used to at least look like someone had actually been to site wrote the DB schedule and then made up the results, now they look like they been wrote out by someone who does not have the first clue about electrics .

 

[Deleted account]

now they look like they been wrote out by someone who does not have the first clue about electrics .

absolutely agree.

I know people knock the registration bodies, but I think they need to be more involved in these EICRs in domestic.
they are not monitored in any way by anyone whether experienced or not .

 

[DPG]

At some point some tennnant somewhere will be killed because of an electrical fault. The court will look into things and the satisfactory EICR will be shown by the landlord/agent. An expert witness will be called who will rip the said EICR to pieces, and the 'electrician' who produced it will end up in prison.

Only a matter of time, but it will happen somewhere.

 

[NellyManjaro]

I never use the supplied observation space as there is not enough room to fully explain in simple terms.
dispite this I never leave it blank. I write across the space please refer to page ???.

if ever there was nothing to report ( however unlikely) I would state that the instal is fully compliant in the observation page. although it’s never happened.


what is that under agreed limitations “Ebbal”. .?

Not quite sure but it was agreed with the landlord ?

 

[NellyManjaro]

Thanks everyone I was 99.99999% sure I was right in telling the agent that it was invalid. He is actually in agreement with me. Just another landlord trying to cut corners to penny pinch

 

[DPG]

Thanks everyone I was 99.99999% sure I was right in telling the agent that it was invalid. He is actually in agreement with me. Just another landlord trying to cut corners to penny pinch

May be a landlord who isn't fully aware of what constitutes an EICR. If an electrician hands him a completed report, he should be able to trust that it is suitable.

 

[littlespark]

EICRs run to 4 or 5 pages or more and every little tick box must have something in it, (even if it’s N/A)

There sometimes even a page number at the bottom to tell you how many pages there’s should be.

Those examples are just plain lazy.

 

[Baddegg]

Classic case of being careful what you wish for....letting agents ?

 

[Risteard]

The best I had was an ETCI Periodic Inspection Report from a letting agent for a BS7671 installation. It erroneously declared that aspects of ET101 had been complied with which weren't applicable to BS7671. I doubt anyone had attended the property. I inspected it "again".

 

[Ian Malone]

At some point some tennnant somewhere will be killed because of an electrical fault. The court will look into things and the satisfactory EICR will be shown by the landlord/agent. An expert witness will be called who will rip the said EICR to pieces, and the 'electrician' who produced it will end up in prison.

Only a matter of time, but it will happen somewhere.

If an electrician registered his reports with his registration organisation and they accept it , sell him insurance etc. What’s he done wrong. Seen to many with” lim and N/“

 

[westward10]

You don't register your Reports to your registered scheme, nine times out of ten or more, they won't even see them.

 

[DPG]

If an electrician registered his reports with his registration organisation and they accept it , sell him insurance etc. What’s he done wrong. Seen to many with” lim and N/“

If you think the judge will accept that and absolve you of your responsibilities as an electrician then you are very optimistic!!

 

[pc1966]

What’s he done wrong. Seen to many with” lim and N/“

As @DPG points out, a judge at some fatal accident inquiry would expect them to be able to justify their report and that it was in line with accepted professional "best practice".

Having agreed limitations on the report is fine if they are "reasonable", that is aspects that most professionals would agree are not practical to inspect and that there were no reasons to expect them to present a danger at the time.

To simply not do any testing, or to have omitted the results, falls very short of professional standards and the requirements for inspection and test in the regs.

 

[Ian Malone]

You don't register your Reports to your registered scheme, nine times out of ten or more, they won't even see them.

• Ensure national standards for electrical safety are met. These are set out in the 18th edition of the 'Wiring Regulations', which are published as British Standard 7671.
• Ensure the electrical installations in their rented properties are inspected and tested by a qualified and competent person at least every 5 years.
• Obtain a report from the person conducting the inspection and test which gives the results and sets a date for the next inspection and test.
• Supply a copy of this report to the existing tenant within 28 days of the inspection and test.
• Supply a copy of this report to a new tenant before they occupy the premises.
• Supply a copy of this report to any prospective tenant within 28 days of receiving a request for the report.
• Supply the local authority with a copy of this report within 7 days of receiving a request for a copy.
• Retain a copy of the report to give to the inspector and tester who will undertake the next inspection and test.

spent good part of last year doing remedials. Believe most testers need more guidance and time. As for their competance would quite happy stand in court and say that standard work I see , has wrong or no paperwork, that fire Regs and Health and safety are not real . Going on other sparks web pages shows that most cannot choose between TN-S and TN-CS. With regular comments on the blogs from DNO workers as well , it seems past practices have made it a lottery.
As for those testing,the guidance still seems sort of standards and common sense.
so local planning are not regulators, and competent pers

 

[westward10]

• Ensure national standards for electrical safety are met. These are set out in the 18th edition of the 'Wiring Regulations', which are published as British Standard 7671.
• Ensure the electrical installations in their rented properties are inspected and tested by a qualified and competent person at least every 5 years.
• Obtain a report from the person conducting the inspection and test which gives the results and sets a date for the next inspection and test.
• Supply a copy of this report to the existing tenant within 28 days of the inspection and test.
• Supply a copy of this report to a new tenant before they occupy the premises.
• Supply a copy of this report to any prospective tenant within 28 days of receiving a request for the report.
• Supply the local authority with a copy of this report within 7 days of receiving a request for a copy.
• Retain a copy of the report to give to the inspector and tester who will undertake the next inspection and test.

spent good part of last year doing remedials. Believe most testers need more guidance and time. As for their competance would quite happy stand in court and say that standard work I see , has wrong or no paperwork, that fire Regs and Health and safety are not real . Going on other sparks web pages shows that most cannot choose between TN-S and TN-CS. With regular comments on the blogs from DNO workers as well , it seems past practices have made it a lottery.
As for those testing,the guidance still seems sort of standards and common sense.
so local planning are not regulators, and competent pers

Not sure what that has to do with my post.

 

[Deleted account]

Not sure what that has to do with my post.

I was trying to work that one out too.

I did like the post though.