EICR - Unsatisfactory - No RCD - C2

sparksfly · Aug 18, 2022

brianmoooore said:
Only skimmed through this thread, but this appears to be a property with little chance of equipment being used outdoors, was installed with full compliance to the regs at the time, and has not deteriorated to a dangerous extent since.
On that basis, the C2s should be C3s, and the installation is 'satisfactory'.
This is a case of a Morris Marina, fully roadworthy, and with a current MOT (actually, doesn't actually need one, IIRC). Perfectly legal to drive, but potentially dangerous nevertheless.
Anyone considering using it as daily transport would be well advised to find something a bit more compliant with current standards, just as the owner of this property should be, with regard to RCDs.
In short, the property is 'satisfactory' as far as the EICR is concerned, but the EICR should be accompanied by a note stating that it is actually unsatisfactory and strong consideration should be given to the recommended upgrade.

I agree with you on this one, however I might C2 for ground floor apartment if it was easy to use 230V equip outside and the flat had frequent change of occupancy as opposed to long term tenant.
The main issue are these these cheap EICRs only to add remedials to make it economically viable.
There is plenty room for an external RCD if needed.

BTW..(...NOT directed at the electrician)....OBSERVATIONS Section K ..... Never seen "limitations" as an observation code, If I had made that up my assessor would have said it was not part of the BS7671 model form or marked me down as non compliant

......maybe we should all self-regulate and bypass most of this admin nonsense.

Tom 256 · Sep 20, 2023

EICR's being undertaken as a means to generate remedial work, that is what we are seeing so often. Oh how we debate the right or wrong of a coding completly overlooking this is not enginerring judgment its a sales pitch.
NO EICR should be tainted with this language of 'work needed notice me I can do it' within the report or from the mouth of 'the inspector'.

I see so many nonsense codings stinking of this stench. Want an EICR look to someone who is not in and out in an hour and is not looking to sell upgrades cheapy cheapy to you special price

Reminds me of the garages that use every and any electrical issue on a vehicle to sell a new battery.

LukeD · Sep 20, 2023

swaRRR said:
To be fair, for £80 in London i think that's a pretty decent EICR and his recommendations are right - the install is a fail.

There's a worrying trend on here of customers automatically assuming their spark is trying to rip them off when a fail comes their way.

As above....to test 9 circuits for that money in that time is a bad sign of how the whole EICR thing is a mess

Tom 256 · Sep 20, 2023

An electrical installation installed in accordance with an earlier edition of the wiring regs may not comply with the current requirements.
This does not warrant by default an unsatisfactory finding OR that it requires upgrading. Yet because it is so easy to quote a regulation number from the 18th : 2022 and say 'look your installation does not comply, the big book says this...' now lets talk about putting that right £££££££.

Nonsense and a scam by any other name.