Labour Manifesto

[Midwest]

Yes that is the bus so please point out where exactly on that bus it says ". We will spend this £350 million on the NHS"
I think it is you eyes that deceive and your mind that sees the implied and not what it actually reads. The only issue with it is the pound sign not being the Euro sign.

Think Andyb might still be at his village pub, drowning his sorrows. Incidently, did anyone see the vid of Sturgeon of delight, at others misfortune;

Nicola Sturgeon: 'I got overexcited' in reaction to Jo Swinson loss

The SNP leader's response has been met with fierce criticism, but she claims it was an 'understandably excited reaction'.

news.sky.com

Think if they bump into each other, there might be a fight.

 

[snowhead]

Incidently, did anyone see the vid of Sturgeon of delight, at others misfortune;

I think Nico's behaviour was appalling and in very bad taste.
It couldn't have been aimed at a more deserving individual.

Don't mess with the U.K public.

And to others,

We don't know who you are. We don't know what you will want. If you are looking for a ransom or the NHS, we can tell you we don't have money or anything for sale. But what we do have is a very particular set of skills, skills we have acquired over very long careers. Skills that make us a nightmare for people like you. If you leave us alone now, that'll be the end of it. We will not look for you, we will not pursue you. But if you don't, we WILL look for you, we WILL find you and we will kill YOUR careers.

 

[telectrix]

Think Andyb might still be at his village pub, drowning his sorrows. Incidently, did anyone see the vid of Sturgeon of delight, at others misfortune;

Nicola Sturgeon: 'I got overexcited' in reaction to Jo Swinson loss

The SNP leader's response has been met with fierce criticism, but she claims it was an 'understandably excited reaction'.

news.sky.com

Think if they bump into each other, there might be a fight.

think she's off to find some stones to rebuild hadrian's wall. sod it. if the sweatys don't want to stay in the UK, then let them try and manage without us. (no offence meant to scots forum members).

 

[andyb]

Yes that is the bus so please point out where exactly on that bus it says ". We will spend this £350 million on the NHS"
I think it is you eyes that deceive and your mind that sees the implied and not what it actually reads. The only issue with it is the pound sign not being the Euro sign.

You know exactly what it says and means. The trouble is Andrew you were lied too and believed the lies, and now you can't accept it. So instead of manning up and admitting it you tell yourself that it means something else, and you can live with that.

Also it was not just the bus, Boris actually said more than once that he'd give £350 milion to the NHS. In one interview he even doubled down by saying the figure was wrong and it would be a lot more.

So, answer me 2 questions please.

1, It clearly says ''Let's fund our NHS instead'' instead of what? That line must relate to something, what do you think it's referring to?

2, Today Boris said ''Let the healing begin'' So, when the country is even more split and there is even more inequality will you say that's what he meant?

 

[Midwest]

You know exactly what it says and means. The trouble is Andrew you were lied too and believed the lies, and now you can't accept it. So instead of manning up and admitting it you tell yourself that it means something else, and you can live with that.

Also it was not just the bus, Boris actually said more than once that he'd give £350 milion to the NHS. In one interview he even doubled down by saying the figure was wrong and it would be a lot more.

So, answer me 2 questions please.

1, It clearly says ''Let's fund our NHS instead'' instead of what? That line must relate to something, what do you think it's referring to?

2, Today Boris said ''Let the healing begin'' So, when the country is even more split and there is even more inequality will you say that's what he meant?

If I go into my local supermarket and go for the two for three, I know they are still making profit. But the sales talk confuse essentially my brain, or does it. It was a red bus with some sign writing on it, make of it what you will. Was there anything other statements made at the time?

 

[DPG]

At least we got a result that is good for decent hardworking people.

 

[plugsandsparks]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KawAKTrk2No


Good Morning Britain, Labour argument of what went wrong, Geezz, they are scary

 

[SparkyAndGeorge]

At least we got a result that is good for decent hardworking people.

And as a bonus that cretin Swinson woman has been booted out

 

[Andrew Hunter]

You know exactly what it says and means. The trouble is Andrew you were lied too and believed the lies, and now you can't accept it. So instead of manning up and admitting it you tell yourself that it means something else, and you can live with that.

Also it was not just the bus, Boris actually said more than once that he'd give £350 milion to the NHS. In one interview he even doubled down by saying the figure was wrong and it would be a lot more.

So, answer me 2 questions please.

1, It clearly says ''Let's fund our NHS instead'' instead of what? That line must relate to something, what do you think it's referring to?

2, Today Boris said ''Let the healing begin'' So, when the country is even more split and there is even more inequality will you say that's what he meant?

I'll answer your question but firstly do no presume to know what I believe to be true or what I do or don't understand.

1. It says "let's fund our NHS instead"
It is a play on words for the foolish to think he means they will pay all to NHS. However the more intelligent populess read correctly that instead of wasting all that money throwing it at the EU there would be money to spend on the NHS and in fact on many things. So the second part is clear instead of EU.

2. I assume he means that now he has a working majority he shall make good on he's manifesto and get Brexit done because ever since the result in 2016 the country has been split so like it or not it will be finalised and everyone can move on from it and who knows there may well be another referendum in the future to rejoin the common market (if it still exist) which win loose or draw I would hope the democratic result will be carried out by parliament.
And before you go into some reterik about how long it will take at least now it is moving.

 

[GBDamo]

I love the people of the UK.

For years we've had been force fed the very narrow view of a very noisy minority.

We were polled, we shrugged and moved on as we didn't relate to it.

We were vox popped, gave our views and in rerurn got a condescending eye roll from the reporter.

We have been told what's best for us.

We been told we're idiots for not agreeing.

We get one opportunity to be heard, a vote.

Well Corbyn, Owen Jones, Diane Abbott, Jo Swinson, Chukka Umuna, Gina Miller...Your boys took a hell of a beating.

Now can we have Brexit?

 

[SparkyChick]

I'll answer your question but firstly do no presume to know what I believe to be true or what I do or don't understand.

That's been one of my biggest gripes with the remainer camp, or shall we now call them the 'rejoiners'?

It started the day after the referendum and it continues to this day... everyone who voted leave (and now who voted the Tories in on Thursday) is racist, uneducated, bigoted, inward looking, little Englander's, stupid and the list goes on.

The outpouring of grief on social media has been hilarious and it's going exactly the same way as it did after the referendum in 2016. Whenever a valid point is made against what they say we end up back in the gutter with personal insults. You're old, you shouldn't have been allowed to vote, you're racist, you're a fascist, you're a ---- etc. etc. and so it continues.

I didn't buy into any of the campaign rhetoric from either side in the referendum. My vote to leave was based on my own research about the EU, it's foundation, my life experiences of how the EU has impacted this country and the fact that successive governments have ceded power to unelected officials in Brussels. This is our country, I want the option to change the people making the laws that affect me and I want successive generations to have that option. I don't want future generations to be drones doing the bidding of Brussels.

As for the Scottish call for independence... I'm still staggered that those calling for it believe they will have independence if they join the EU. I might be missing something being a stupid uneducated leaver an all, but I just don't see how Independent can be used as an adjective for an EU member state, especially when the core goal of the EU is to form a federal superstate with all policy being made by unelected officials in Brussels. So if someone more educated than I (maybe a Labour or SNP voter, a remainer/rejoiner perhaps) fancies explaining it, I'd love to see the linguistic gymnastics you'll use to do it.

 

[telectrix]

bit of an oxymoron there, SC. Scotland wants to be independant of the UK, but slaves to the EU? where's the sense in that???

 

[SparkyChick]

bit of an oxymoron there, SC. Scotland wants to be independant of the UK, but slaves to the EU? where's the sense in that???

Exactly... that's the point I just don't get, which makes me think it's not about independence for the SNP... it's about power, or perceived power, and more importantly sticking one to Westminster which seems to get the blame in SNP campaigning for all ills, despite them having lots of financial decision making capabilities in the Scottish Parliament.

What worries me though is the call for independence is rubbing off on the likes of Plaid Cymru who are now moving in that direction, again with a 'we want to be independent and members of the EU' line. It's ridiculous. Suffice to say, if that ever comes to fruition I know a lot of people who will be moving to England (us included). The worst thing in Wales is the fact that Wales voted overwhelmingly to leave and yet the Welsh Assembly or pro-remain, unfortunately the Labour heartlands in the valleys are just never going to vote anything but and as such I think we're destined to retain the assembly (or Senedd - I think that's the right spelling) as is now... a bunch of idiots who are completely out of touch with the people.

 

[snowhead]

It started the day after the referendum and it continues to this day... everyone who voted leave (and now who voted the Tories in on Thursday) is racist, uneducated, bigoted, inward looking, little Englander's, stupid and the list goes on.

As above, I failed to understand right from day 1 how Remain voters were so knowledgeable about Leave voters and their motives that they could confidently say the above.
Most who did publically continue to do so.

I had and still have no idea why individual Remain voters voted as they did.
It's was possibly for hundreds of different reasons.

I voted remain in the previous referendum when there were only 14 or so countries in the E.U.

I decided to vote leave, if given the chance years before the suggestion of the 2016 referendum.
My vote was sealed in the Postal ballot envelope long before I was aware of the £350m on the bus.
I was not misled, nor as far as I could tell were the many people I worked with at the time, all who said they voted leave .

 

[SparkyChick]

I decided to vote leave, if given the chance years before the suggestion of the 2016 referendum.

That's exactly my stance. Prior to the referendum I was just hoping for the chance to say 'let's get out of it while we still can'.

 

[plugsandsparks]

@SC, Both Wales and Scotland dont like England more than they dont like Brussels and the EU, both think that by being in the EU they will get a nett income from the other countries. What i really dont understand is: as we are a United Kingdom (Union) today, why do Scotland and Wales really think independance is ONLY down to them.

As for the referendum, I was lied to and misled when i voted. I thought voting leave meant we would just leave, i never imagined in my wildest dreams that voting leave could mean that if there was a majority it could mean a plethora of partial leavings that masquerade as leave. Bonkers.

 

[SparkyChick]

@SC, Both Wales and Scotland dont like England more than they dont like Brussels and the EU, both think that by being in the EU they will get a nett income from the other countries. What i really dont understand is: as we are a United Kingdom (Union) today, why do Scotland and Wales really think independance is ONLY down to them.

All I can say to that is... you pro English dog you How dare you suggest the English should have a say in matters that don't affect them!!! LOL

As for the referendum, I was lied to and misled when i voted. I thought voting leave meant we would just leave, i never imagined in my wildest dreams that voting leave could mean that if there was a majority it could mean a plethora of partial leavings that masquerade as leave. Bonkers.

There is that aspect to it... I voted to leave with a 100% separation... no tie ins, no partial exits, a 100% clean break with us not being subject to any rules/regulations from Brussels.

 

[Midwest]

As for the Scottish call for independence... I'm still staggered that those calling for it believe they will have independence if they join the EU. I might be missing something being a stupid uneducated leaver an all, but I just don't see how Independent can be used as an adjective for an EU member state, especially when the core goal of the EU is to form a federal superstate with all policy being made by unelected officials in Brussels. So if someone more educated than I (maybe a Labour or SNP voter, a remainer/rejoiner perhaps) fancies explaining it, I'd love to see the linguistic gymnastics you'll use to do it.

Its simply that the SNP Scots, and some others Scots, hate the English more than they hate the French or EU. It would be a shame to break up the UK, but if someone has fallen out of love, but then there's no point trying to keep the relationship going, if you get my drift.

I voted to remain, but since the vote have accepted we should now leave. Still have my reservations, based nothing more on a gut feeling and being in a club for the last forty years.

 

[Zerax]

think she's off to find some stones to rebuild hadrian's wall. sod it. if the sweatys don't want to stay in the UK, then let them try and manage without us. (no offence meant to scots forum members).

I agree with you... if she really wants to be independent then let her... but it'll mean;
a) A 20ft high border fence that's is permanently manned by armed guards to stop all the Scots escaping.
b) The UK withdrawing any of it's operations from Scotland, like the submarines, BAE etc.
c) No more financial assistance... the 'Greece of the North' ?
d) Anybody caught in England without a tourist visa wearing tartan, a kilt or drunk at 11am deported. (unless you're a member of this forum)

 

[plugsandsparks]

@SC, Scots dont want to leave the EU, so whats the best way to stop it ? - Have an independance referendum, vote to be independent, then we have the issue of Scotland being in the EU and England not, another land border to deal with leading to yet another delay to Brexit and more wrangling, sod that, they had their chance in 2014, that is what they really wanted , this next vote would be tactical to stop UK leaving EU. That simple

 

[telectrix]

i voted NO in the 1972 ( or thereabouts) common market referendum, simply on the basis that it would mean us subsidising french farmers with 1 cow, a pig, and a couple of hens. thern we had butter mountains. wine lakes etc., just to keep prices high and allow the surrender monkeys to make profits at our expense. i also remember when the UK first wanted to join, de gaulle said NON. and that's after we kicked the germans out of froggy land. talk about gratitude!

 

[snowhead]

By the time a Scottish referendum could be arranged and if the outcome was to leave, the U.K as a whole would out the E.U and well into completeing Trading deals with the rest of the World.
All arrangements with the E.U would have been sorted.
It wouldn't delay Brexit.

 

[SparkyChick]

@SC, Scots dont want to leave the EU, so whats the best way to stop it ? - Have an independance referendum, vote to be independent, then we have the issue of Scotland being in the EU and England not, another land border to deal with leading to yet another delay to Brexit and more wrangling, sod that, they had their chance in 2014, that is what they really wanted , this next vote would be tactical to stop UK leaving EU. That simple

Problem with that is of course we're getting the line 'but at the last one we were told we'd be remaining in the EU'. That's been the on-going cry... we were lied to, just like the remainers. At the time of the first indy ref I was on contact with a diverse group of colleagues in Scotland and they nearly all said the same thing... if we vote for independence I'm leaving. So part of me thinks we should let them have the vote and see what happens, but even if they voted no again I don't think that would satisfy the hardliners in the SNP.

Its simply that the SNP Scots, and some others Scots, hate the English more than they hate the French or EU. It would be a shame to break up the UK, but if someone has fallen out of love, but then there's no point trying to keep the relationship going, if you get my drift.

I voted to remain, but since the vote have accepted we should now leave. Still have my reservations, based nothing more on a gut feeling and being in a club for the last forty years.

Oh I get it's that they don't like the English, but really??? Are they that filled with hate that they're willing to sacrifice what control they have just to stick one to us? Petulant children is the term that springs to mind.

As for reservations about leaving... I'd be lying if I said I wasn't concerned. All the leavers I've talked to at any length about it have all said the same thing. We expect there to be some trouble along the way but ultimately we believe it will be worth it.

 

[GBDamo]

The outpouring of grief on social media has been hilarious and it's going exactly the same way as it did after the referendum in 2016. Whenever a valid point is made against what they say we end up back in the gutter with personal insults. You're old, you shouldn't have been allowed to vote, you're racist, you're a fascist, you're a ---- etc. etc. and so it continues.

Social media existed before these morons gained any real traction.

In my view it was specifically Twitter and all the twits that tweet. (There is a definite shortage of A's in that last bit)

Twitter was very quickly adopted, and promoted, by the media. It was then taken up by academia and Westminster and thus the echo chamber was born.

We lived in a world where a retweet was news and sufficient retweets drove policy.

So when a bunch of students, in the wrong undergarments, start Tweeting about their victimhood it gains the attention of all those who make and report policy.

The rest of us couldn't really give a monkey's, if you want to wear boxers and be called Dave, knock yourself out pet. I've got bills to pay, work to do so just don't have the time to have an opinion.

But, as always, they get to big for their sequined DMs and start telling us how we should change to adapt to their lifestyle choices and, as our world view doesn't match theirs, we are bigoted racists.

It's about time we kicked this student political crap back into the dark recesses of the Student Union bar amd let the adults run the country again.

Well, Boris is as close to an adult as the options permitted.

 

[plugsandsparks]

The EU are crapping themselves about " competitiveness" - they dont want a trade deal that allows UK to be a competitor to EU. So what does that tell you about how competitive the EU block is wrt "world competitiveness" - so instead of the EU improving their world competitiveness, they want to hold Britain back, hopefully Boris will tell them what to do, lol.
Expect alot more media and political hysteria about Chlorinated chick wings, 90 hrs per week working conditions, health and safety policy books burned, etc etc etc.
Oh so predictable and boring

 

[Midwest]

Oh I get it's that they don't like the English, but really??? Are they that filled with hate that they're willing to sacrifice what control they have just to stick one to us? Petulant children is the term that springs to mind.

It could of all been so different, had the Jacobite Army had not turn round and gone back to Scotland. We'll all been wearing kilts and speaking with a French accent.

 

[electric al]

The Scottish independence vote was supposed to be a once in a generation thing to which they happily agreed . Now they are making plenty of the fact that they have won more seats , although the snp still only polled about 45% of the total Scottish vote and that is about the same as they registered during the independence vote back in 2014. I really can't believe that a majority could think that poison sturgeon is the answer to anything other than ," what is the darker side of jimmy krankie known as ?"

 

[SparkyChick]

The rest of us couldn't really give a monkey's, if you want to wear boxers and be called Dave, knock yourself out pet. I've got bills to pay, work to do so just don't have the time to have an opinion.

But, as always, they get to big for their sequined DMs and start telling us how we should change to adapt to their lifestyle choices and, as our world view doesn't match theirs, we are bigoted racists.

Don't go there... I was just looking at something on twitter and came across another gender... turns out there are now apparently 201 with more waiting to be approved.

WHAT!!!!

 

[rapparee]

I agree with you... if she really wants to be independent then let her... but it'll mean;
a) A 20ft high border fence that's is permanently manned by armed guards to stop all the Scots escaping.
b) The UK withdrawing any of it's operations from Scotland, like the submarines, BAE etc.
c) No more financial assistance... the 'Greece of the North' ?
d) Anybody caught in England without a tourist visa wearing tartan, a kilt or drunk at 11am deported. (unless you're a member of this forum)

Will you leave the Scots their North Sea Oil and fishing waters?

 

[GBDamo]

Don't go there... I was just looking at something on twitter and came across another gender... turns out there are now apparently 201 with more waiting to be approved.

WHAT!!!!

Because yesterdays "special" is not "special" enough and tomorrow's "special" has to he so much more "special".

They are not special.

What they need are responsibilities and commitments and to spend less time contemplating their navels, whatever gender they be.

They have been utterly failed but the education systen we entrust our children to.

 

[JK-Electrical]

Think Andyb might still be at his village pub, drowning his sorrows. Incidently, did anyone see the vid of Sturgeon of delight, at others misfortune;

Nicola Sturgeon: 'I got overexcited' in reaction to Jo Swinson loss

The SNP leader's response has been met with fierce criticism, but she claims it was an 'understandably excited reaction'.

news.sky.com

Think if they bump into each other, there might be a fight.

From The SNP Chronicle The Herald newspaper:

Ms Sturgeon added that on a personal level, she “feels for” Liberal Democrat leader Jo Swinson, who lost her seat in East Dunbartonshire.

Aye, right ye are Nippy. Whatever you say.

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@SC, Both Wales and Scotland dont like England more than they dont like Brussels and the EU, both think that by being in the EU they will get a nett income from the other countries. What i really dont understand is: as we are a United Kingdom (Union) today, why do Scotland and Wales really think independance is ONLY down to them.

As for the referendum, I was lied to and misled when i voted. I thought voting leave meant we would just leave, i never imagined in my wildest dreams that voting leave could mean that if there was a majority it could mean a plethora of partial leavings that masquerade as leave. Bonkers.

According to Nippy, Boris Johnson "does not have a mandate to take Scotland out of the EU".

Sturgeon's 'argument' is bogus. Not only does Boris Johnson have a mandate to take England out of the EU, he also has a mandate to take Scotland out of the EU along with Wales and Northern Ireland too. The people of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland who voted in the General Election did so as a union, not as four separate countries.

The will of the Scottish people who voted for in the "once in a lifetime" independence referendum in 2014 was that Scotland should remain part of the United Kingdom. Sturgeon, however, refuses to accept this outcome and is determined to push for a second "once in a lifetime" referendum. My own desire is that she be granted her wish, chiefly because I'm confident that the Scottish electorate will once again reject the SNP's sepratist plans and vote to remain part of the UK. This outcome would surely be the end of Sturgeon politically and no longer would we have to listen to her incessant, pathetic whining.

On the other, hand if a miracle was to occur and the SNP were to succeed with their seperatist project, they would no longer have a raison d'être and would become redundant. What a lovely thought. So go on Boris, give her the bullets with which she can shoot herself in the foot. Let her be hoist with her own pertard.

The nightmare scenario would be Scotland leaving the UK only to apply for membership of the EU. If the unthinkable were to ever happen, I would be relocating to England for the second time. Thankfully, I can't envisage such a terrible scenario ever coming to fruition and can relax knowing that I won't ever have to apply to become Part P registered.

 

[DPG]

I personally hope Scotland stays united with England, and as JK said above, I hope the SNP are allowed a 2nd referendum and that it is the same result as last time.

 

[Midwest]

From The SNP Chronicle The Herald newspaper:


Aye, right ye are Nippy. Whatever you say.

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According to Nippy, Boris Johnson "does not have a mandate to take Scotland out of the EU".

Sturgeon's 'argument' is bogus. Not only does Boris Johnson have a mandate to take England out of the EU, he also has a mandate to take Scotland out of the EU along with Wales and Northern Ireland too. The people of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland who voted in the General Election did so as a union, not as four separate countries.

The will of the Scottish people who voted for in the "once in a lifetime" independence referendum in 2014 was that Scotland should remain part of the United Kingdom. Sturgeon, however, refuses to accept this outcome and is determined to push for a second "once in a lifetime" referendum. My own desire is that she be granted her wish, chiefly because I'm confident that the Scottish electorate will once again reject the SNP's sepratist plans and vote to remain part of the UK. This outcome would surely be the end of Sturgeon politically and no longer would we have to listen to her incessant, pathetic whining.

On the other, hand if a miracle was to occur and the SNP were to succeed with their seperatist project, they would no longer have a raison d'être and would become redundant. What a lovely thought. So go on Boris, give her the bullets with which she can shoot herself in the foot. Let her be hoist with her own pertard.

The nightmare scenario would be Scotland leaving the UK only to apply for membership of the EU. If the unthinkable were to ever happen, I would be relocating to England for the second time. Thankfully, I can't envisage such a terrible scenario ever coming to fruition and can relax knowing that I won't ever have to apply to become Part P registered.

Take you don't like her. It must be said though, you guys are pretty much split equally about this, even from the last referendum?
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I personally hope Scotland stays united with England, and as JK said above, I hope the SNP are allowed a 2nd referendum and that it is the same result as last time.

And Wales and NI.

 

[rapparee]

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And Wales and NI.

NI now has more Nationalist MP'S than Unionist MP'S

So there is already talk of a border poll now.

Although I think unionists just wanted to punish the DUP for the way they played their hand over the last two years.

Not signal a want for a UI

 

[JK-Electrical]

Take you don't like her.

I utterly abhor the woman as do many other Scots.

It must be said though, you guys are pretty much split equally about this, even from the last referendum?

Indeed so. An even 50/50 split, according to one poll. 60/40 in favour of the union, according to another.

 

[Midwest]

I utterly abhor the woman as do many other Scots.


Indeed so. An even 50/50 split, according to one poll. 60/40 in favour of the union, according to another.

Think the first one seems to be a more accurate poll, when comparing it with their voting intentions poll for the GE 2019. Which shows a 50% to 42% against Idyref 2.

 

[JK-Electrical]

Think the first one seems to be a more accurate poll, when comparing it with their voting intentions poll for the GE 2019. Which shows a 50% to 42% against Idyref 2.

Even if the polls were indicating a 99.99% majority in favour of Scotland remaining part of the UK, the SNP would still claim that gives them a mandate to pursue a second referendum.

I am sick and tired of this tedious independence debate. It's become a saga. So as I said in an earlier post, give the SNP their twice in a lifetime "Indyref2" and be done. They will then be hoist by their own petard after they lose the vote. Like spoilt children, they will continue to throw tantrums and chuck toys out of the pram until they get their second "once in a lifetime" referendum:

Angus MacNeil reveals bombshell SNP plan B to secure Scottish independence - https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/angus-macneil-reveals-bombshell-snp-21100372

And should the nightmare scenario of an independent Scotland run by the SNP ever come to fruition and Scotland escapes from its "imprisonment", the delusional fools who voted to make it happen will then be faced with far worse austerity than was the case under the Tories. Talk about turkeys voting for Christmas.

SNP plans mean ‘more austerity than under the Tories’, says IFS - https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/snp-plans-mean-more-austerity-than-under-the-tories-says-ifs-1-5056488/amp

Scotland has already paid a high price for the SNP's obsession with independence:

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/02/scotland-is-paying-a-heavy-price-for-the-snps-independence-obsession

The SNP's record while in office is woeful:

It's time the SNP's terrible record in government was exposed - https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2016/05/its-time-snps-terrible-record-government-was-exposed

Twelve years of abominable SNP failure has failed Scotland:

https://www.shoutoutuk.org/2017/06/07/snp-ten-years-failure

https://reaction.life/snp-failed-scotland-independence-mirage

The SNP are a one-trick pony. They are all about independence and nothing else. However, there are a plethora of far more important issues facing Scotland that need to be urgently addressed. So instead of continually harping-on about Scottish independence, Sturgeon ought to return to her day job and focus her attention on sorting-out the squalor and immigrant crime in the ****hole otherwise known as Govanhill instead of perpetually whinging about independence. The Govanhill ghetto in Glasgow lies within Sturgeon's constituency. She is its MSP. It is beyond belief that such shameful living conditions could exist in modern-day Scotland. But as usual, it's all Westminster's fault, eh Nippy?

PressReader.com - Journaux du Monde Entier - https://www.pressreader.com/uk/scottish-daily-mail/20170603/281960312715318

 

[Midwest]

Does appear worrying reading & video. But I guess the SNP would have other views?

 

[JK-Electrical]

Does appear worrying reading & video. But I guess the SNP would have other views

I'm sure they would, but no amount of evasiveness, empty rhetoric, disingenuous spin and turd-polishing by Sturgeon's campaign manager can alter the truth about Govanhill as told by long-standing residents:

 

[ferg]

A vote for the SNP is not necessarily a vote for independence.

I know a fair few people who voted to stay in the UK that also voted for the SNP.

I would have voted SNP if they had respected the outcome of the last indyref.