Minor Works? Installation? Notifiable?

[optician]

Hi
I recently visited a property the was experiencing tripping of an Mcb when turning on a 3 kw hand wash appliance in a down stairs loo.
All earth cables present and correct, old wired board but with plug in MCB's No Rcd protection.
Some Numpty had wired the hand wash to the 6 amp alarm and bell circuit with 1mm 3 core cable.
So the MCB was doing its Job.

So i ran 2.5 cable from hand wash unit back to the board to a little used 16amp MCb.
Problem solved. All tests fine and Zs 0.26.

So Minor works certificate ? Installation Certificate? and is it Notifiable?

Any response is greatly appreciated, Thanks.

 

[Fox]

I read to understand that you connected the new cable into an existing circuit at the distribution board? Also does the room contain a bath or shower?

 

[optician]

No, its just a downstairs loo with hand basin, so not special location.
new cable to existing MCB.

 

[davesparks]

Have you installed a new circuit or have you altered an existing one?

 

[optician]

Altered existing circuit, spurred off existing MCB.
So Minor works, No Notification?

 

[Fox]

Yes, minor works, not notified.

 

[newtothis]

Happy to be proved wrong, on face value this seems pretty straight forward to me - it’s notifiable.

Different cable size selected.


It may raise the question whether it should have been notified prior to installation.

 

[Fox]

I wouldn't class this as a major alteration to an existing circuit. Op has wired the appliance in 2.5mm cable into an existing 16A circuit which is likely wired in existing 2.5mm cable - minor works for me and sod notification

 

[telectrix]

agree with fox here.

 

[DuaneMHunt1976]

Very triggers broom replacing the cable and we're.in the db it goes to.
But just a spur off a existing circuit

Who the he'll installed this dryer in the first place, it could of never worked.

 

[newtothis]

Who the he'll installed this dryer in the first place, it could of never worked.

Agreed

 

[andyb]

I'd notify this, in my opinion it's a new circuit.
Not saying that's the definitive answer, just that for the sake of 5 minutes on a computer and a couple of quid I would.
If you had done exactly the same work and there had been a spare way at the cu you would have used that and not thought twice about it.

 

[DPG]

Good debate - I like threads like this. And at least they stay friendly (mostly) these days. Daz

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Can't be a new circuit, as he's connected it to an existing circuit.

 

[DPG]

It's only an existing MCB though. He's run a new cable. Daz

 

[Fox]

a little used 16amp

I assumed this to mean an MCB with some kind of load on it, therefore an extension to an existing circuit.

 

[DPG]

I assumed this to mean an MCB with some kind of load on it, therefore an extension to an existing circuit.

Good point. You could be right there.

 

[Fox]

Good point. You could be right there.

Who knows? I think it's a situation where common sense will prevail!

 

[professional]

FACT - An existing mcb is NOT a circuit, it is merely a circuit protective device.

FACT - The installation of a new, appropriately rated cable to the handwash unit is clearly a NEW CIRCUIT and is therefore notifiable.


Notification is a total farce BUT trying to convince yourselves that new installations are merely alterations is insulting to the trade.

If a job is notifiable and you you chose not to notify that is your choice ; but surely it is unfair to mislead less experienced forum members with the use of such laughable arguments?

 

[davesparks]

FACT - An existing mcb is NOT a circuit, it is merely a circuit protective device.

FACT - The installation of a new, appropriately rated cable to the handwash unit is clearly a NEW CIRCUIT and is therefore notifiable.

But all outgoing wiring connected to a single OCPD is a circuit as defined in bs7671
The installation of a second outgoing cable in to the OCPD of an existing circuit is an alteration to that circuit. However it may be very poor design and not compliant for other reasons