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Johnny-G
Not sure why any of you guys bother replying to this lad, he's obviously just taking the ****.
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Not sure why any of you guys bother replying to this lad, he's obviously just taking the ****.
Really?
So you trust that once you've completed your first fix everything is spot on? How do you know that? Do you not make mistakes? If you mean do I put nails straight through my cables when fixing capping then no. Never. I do not burn cables either whilst pulling through joists. The only IR test failures I have ever experienced on new work are due to wires pinned or nicked by screwing the faceplate back or cable damage that can quite easily be traced back to a kitchen unit fixing. Any continuity test fails I get are due to me forgetting to put a faceplate on somewhere.
I ALWAYS test for continuity/IR on the circuits I have installed on completion of first fix so that I know 100% when I return any faults have been caused by kitchen fitters or additional works that have taken place since first fix completion.
The use of wago lever connectors make this an absolute doddle and for how long the test take I think it's worth it's weight in gold.
Inspection and testing should be performed before, during and after installation to ensure that the integrity of the circuit has not been compromised. I do testing during and after installation...ie when im putting the CU on after 2nd fix and then live testing once its done. If you're not doing it then it may well come back and bite you on the behind when the client refuses to pay for repair works required that may require ripping out cable that has since been tiled over, plastered or even had kitchen cabinets installed in front of runs. Never caused me any problems so far during my 7 year electrical career. And I've probably saved what? 200+ hours by not first fix testing since I've been self employed, so thats, say £5000 worth of labour already, so if I have to pay a spread £50 to re skim a bit of wall one day, well....its not the end of the world.
Complete waste of time? Yes and it appears im not the only one who thinks so My backside it is but hey... I'm just a Electrical Trainee so what do I know??? lol Whats this supposed to mean? are you being serious? or are you suggesting im a Electrical Trainee?
Its been a long day.
Ha ha ha, no I am most definitely not implying that you are a Electrical Trainee, that would be most inappropriate as I am not aware of your back ground. I was stating that this is the route I followed to enter the trade albeit working alongside a spark at the time.
Everyone has their own method, I am more than happy with mine and seems you are happy with yours. Whilst I can understand what others say about my method being a waste of time this is the way I work and it is because I am always looking to cover my arse and know 100% that all is sound because at the end of the day we are all human and humans make mistakes fact!
I understand also the point you make about time however the tests take next to no time at all and I have proof on my sheet that I can use should the occasion arise where a fault is discovered and the owner/ kitchen fitter/builder or whoever tries to pull a fast one:thumbsup
Cool, sorry about that, there are a couple of guys on here who regularly like to refer to me as a Electrical Trainee. Personally I have no issue with people who have taken this method of training and think that, with the neccesary experience, its perfectly suitable for people doing mainly domestic electrical work. Sorry if my posts come across a little aggresive at times. But seriously, its worthing thinking about which risks are worthing taking and which arn't. It can save you hours.
I've had two occasions where an RFC cable has been screwed by a kitchen fitter and both times I mangaged to locate the fault and replace the cable (via a different route) within an hour or so. No mess, no fuss, no units down. Theres always the last resort option of disconnecting the damaged leg of the ring (if its near the middle of the circuit) and creating 2 20 amp radials instead.
I'm picking up a general consensus that cables don't need to be in capping or conduit...
May I say I don't like cables being in the wall without "basic protection" yes there is a tick box on the schedule of items inspected on both an Electrical installation certificate and an electrical installation condition report to say that the " basic protection" has been met.
Additional protection to cables buried in thermally insulated walls buried less than 50mm from the surface needs to have "additional protection" by means of an RCD on the circuit. This is not an excuse for not putting oval conduit or capping on or over your cables. Both scenarios need to be met with basic protection by means of oval conduit or capping and then if it is in a thermally insulated wall (chased or dob and dabbed) that it be additionally protected with RCD.
You only get what you pay for, good spark = basic protection and additional protection (guy that has spent some time in school and on site), average joe spark = RCD the lot
Correct me please if im wrong...
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