Replacing A Breaker On An Obsolete CCU

[wildgoose]

This obsolete CCU (Circa 1989), needs a breaker changing. Has anybody had experience with 'Ashley & Rock Supersafe' breakers - What currently available breaker can be used as a direct replecement ?

Only have this picture at the moment as I'm visiting the property next week to do the job - it's 40miles away :sad_smile:

I can always contact the Antique MCB companies, but thought I'd try the Forum first!

 

[nickblake]

Always try ebay much better to replace like for like if you can some of the older breakers are difficult to change so they fit the board properly some here http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=ashley+and+rock+supa+safe+mcb's&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CEYQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fitm%2F1-x-Ashley-Rock-Supasafe-MCB-B6-B16-B20-B32-%2F310336703545&ei=00w9T9usD4KWhQef-6DfBQ&usg=AFQjCNGsj4ExpVq2EHwbimD16oAh9uSfQg

 

[supasparxs]

hmmm
personally if the Cu is circo 1989 and is oviously out of date, I think I would be looking for a CU upgrade
this I feel would be a safer option for the customer.

In addition if you supply an MCB from with a unknown history, are you going to warranty it?
will your insurance company provide cover your PI and PL insurance for selling obsolete equipment?
If you do manage to source the correct MCB and it is working ok, is it worth the risk for your regitration to your accrediting organisation? (NICEIC, NAPIT, ELSCA)

the customer might not want to spend alot of money,
however if it goes wrong and the buck stops with you in a court is it worth it.

good luck

 

[SPARTYKUS]

hmmm
personally if the Cu is circo 1989 and is oviously out of date, I think I would be looking for a CU upgrade
this I feel would be a safer option for the customer.

In addition if you supply an MCB from with a unknown history, are you going to warranty it?
will your insurance company provide cover your PI and PL insurance for selling obsolete equipment?
If you do manage to source the correct MCB and it is working ok, is it worth the risk for your regitration to your accrediting organisation? (NICEIC, NAPIT, ELSCA)

the customer might not want to spend alot of money,
however if it goes wrong and the buck stops with you in a court is it worth it.

good luck

I'd be more worrried about the varnished-looking paper shoved in the wall next to the CU.

They look like proteus ones but who knows.

Alot of them are made in the same factories .... but there's already been a huge discussion about this (search forum).

Better to just fit a new board

 

[wildgoose]

I don't intend to fit a secondhand breaker. You can still source obsolete breakers that are new - but they are expensive!!!

I have been asked to add another circuit. If the new breaker is compatible with the board, then I am comfortable fitting it. I have not been asked to update the whole system and I know the customer will not accept it if I change his CCU when he asked me to do a relatively minor task of adding 1 small circuit.

In 1989 the CCU met the standard at that time, so if it still works satisfactorily then I will add the new circuit and make a note on the sign-off certificate that the existing CCU cannot support the level of circuit discrimination required for 17th edition on the new circuit added. All other aspects of my installation will meet 17th Edition.

I'm very comfortable with this approach!!

 

[sparkydude]

Breakers are ge make the range was the E type i believe, Most of the wholesalers used to re-badge them as their own. Senate for deffo

Hope this helps

Nick

 

[supasparxs]

I don't intend to fit a secondhand breaker. You can still source obsolete breakers that are new - but they are expensive!!!

oops sorry,
I didn't mean to be rude

 

[baldelectrician]

What size do you need?

I stripped out one last month, I have a few breakers in the van

Hager now own Ashley, their breakers might fit- try contacting Hager technical support