Who Are You Registered With?

[professional]

You may not be aware but ALL scheme providers undertake "poaching" campaigns - the only reason why you may not be aware is that schemes do not send the "poaching packs" to their own members! As for the idea that there are less kitchen fitters doing dodgy wiring - get real, it`s worse than ever out there! The only thing that Part P has achieved is that the former cowboys are now semi-legitimate since any scheme will accept anyone as long as they have money in their pocket. They only care about standards of work if they get caught out - I see it most days AND the way they cover up the awful work of THEIR OWN members whilst decrying the work of anyone else. The idea that only registered sparks are any good is pathetic - some of the worst work that I see is by REGISTERED sparks, or quite often by sparks who are employed by a registered company during the week and become weekend warriors at other times. Judging by the standard of work some turn out I fail to see how their "legitimate work can comply - but then again, once it`s signed off under the QS system nobody cares do they?

 

[sparkas]

A registered sparks, in this era, has no meaning?????????
My uncle would wear a bowler hat, as a top sparks in his day????????
Modern times, you become a sparks, on a one week course????????
The game has gone beyond repair

 

[andyb]

What if I did a weeks course & wore a bowler hat.
Would that be ok?

 

[hotXbun]

What if I did a weeks course & wore a bowler hat.
Would that be ok?

I quite like that ..... yes, it has a certain romance to it. And at the end of the course you would receive your hat with a letter 'P' emblazoned on the front.



I shall not devalue it by suggesting that upon failing, the hat becomes a flower pot with a 'd' on the front.

"ooh, I want one! !"

 

[Spudnik]

This thread is for members to say who they are registered with.

Please stay on-topic.

 

[Eggster71]

I'm with the NIC, basically registered because of part p. I went for the full one though as it seemed madness to pay a fee and only be covered for domestic installation. My annual fee's in the region of £450/ year and add to that the cost of annual assessment, a similar figure if I recall and it's not cheap!
On the plus side though I've actually been "found" by customers through the NICEIC's listings of electricians in the local area, and while it amounts to a small amount of the expenditure it all helps.
I have friends registered with ECA/ nappit etc and others who are not registered at all and occasionally get asked to "come in on a job" with them as the client insists on NICEIC paperwork.
As has been said, the NICEIC is well known and their "branding" is highly recognisable, the part P notification side is easy via the website and their technical dept are helpful enough.

 

[Steve D]

Hi,

I'm not yet registered with anyone. I'm newly qualified and after a chat with Elecsa on the phone I think I will probably go with them when the time comes. They seem very friendly and helpful (especially for a newbie just breaking into the trade) .

I appreciate that companies/councils see NICEIC as the 'market leader' but that's just due to more people being registered to them.

If Elecsa had more members then I'm sure the councils would start to change their views.
It's a vicious circle. Until we start 'supporting' Elecsa then NICEIC will always be the preferred body.

Cheers
Steve

 

[SirKit Breaker]

Hi,

I'm not yet registered with anyone. I'm newly qualified and after a chat with Elecsa on the phone I think I will probably go with them when the time comes. They seem very friendly and helpful (especially for a newbie just breaking into the trade) .

I appreciate that companies/councils see NICEIC as the 'market leader' but that's just due to more people being registered to them.

If Elecsa had more members then I'm sure the councils would start to change their views.
It's a vicious circle. Until we start 'supporting' Elecsa then NICEIC will always be the preferred body.

Cheers
Steve

I'm in my 4th year with Elecsa, very good no complaints, they are getting known out there, British Gas moved over to them either last year or early this year. Elecsa could do more to push their name to the front, but we members also have to do our bit which i do. It used to be a case of customers asking if you were NIC registered, but now mainly it is asking if you are registered. On the odd occasion that i am asked if i am NIC registered i inform them there are other registration bodies of which i am a member of one, and they all carry equal credibility, point them in the direction of the Elecsa website or give them the householder Elecsa info sheet, always does the job.

Cheers.........Howard

 

[raj200048]

Im a 17th edition self employed electrician but not registered yet, any one can tell me which one is the easyest to join and hasslefree

Im a 17th edition self employed electrician but not registered yet, any one can tell me which one is the easyest to join and hasslefree

 

[hotXbun]

Im a 17th edition self employed electrician but not registered yet, any one can tell me which one is the easyest to join and hasslefree

Im a 17th edition self employed electrician but not registered yet, any one can tell me which one is the easyest to join and hasslefree

Apart from Elecsa , have you considered joining the 'Foreign Legion'? Here they doin quite well

 

[D80]

Currently in the process of registering with NAPIT, we have passed the onsite assesment and we jsut need to return a form and its sorted.

 

[dufjax]

We're with NIC transferred over from ELECSA due to a large contract where the landlord didn’t recognise ELECSA, to be honest I don’t think he would have taken much persuading, say a letter or leaflet from Elecsa. Did try conting ELECSA they didn’t seem bothered and wouldn’t support / supply us with a letter or leaflet or even the time of day to be honest. So we switched back to NIC.
Also had an argument with British gas over a sighting of a consumer unit contacted both NICC and ELECSA. NIC backed be up ELECSA “wouldn’t make a comment”.
I’ve always found NIC friendly and reasonable (the same price as Elecsa, Nic show their price inc VAT so it looks more) despite what Elecsa say.
BUT… I would say Brian Robinson Elecsa East Anglia Assessor is the nicest assessor I have yet met, he really puts you at ease and is very knowledgeable.
So for 1st timers I would still say Elecsa

 

[RexT]

Hi all,

I have registered with Napit on a just 8 scheme to start with. They seem very helpful and good for advice.

I guess the others have strong points but I went with Napit following advice from an electrician.

Whoever you choose I guess it only shows how good the choice is afterwards.

Best wishes to all,

Rex

 

[kozla]

Al of them the same but clients prefer NICEIC for some reason, nice logo:

 

[mikex79]

please see my new thread

Hi everybody
please see my new thread which could be an extension to this thread
which is here:

http://www.electriciansforums.net/inspection-testing-certification-electrical-installations/12317-niceic-elecsa-napit-how-did-you-get-assessment.html

hopely it's alright to "advertise" it here

 

[tickover]

Had my assesment with Elecsa today, Passed with A grade! run a submain to an outbuilding, was bricking it but the Assessor was very friendly and helpful and loved his tea and coffee.. never tried to catch me out or anything like you expect to happen (natural reaction...), So far i am very pleased with my choice and can see ill be staying with them.

Would also like to thank everyone on this forum for their posts, with useful infomation, pointers and advise, they helped me realise there really isnt anything to worry about as long as you know your Regs, can do the job and confident with the meter...

Cheers Guys!
Tickover

 

[Danny Pross]

I am with Elecsa.
As a start up, it was helpful that they din't need to see as many sites for the inspection as NICEIC.
In a previous role as PDH for a different company, I went through the NICEIC mid term assessment also.
I found the NICEIC and Elecsa inspections to be similar in terms of rigour.

I am likely to register with NICEIC later in the year also because they have a much higher public profile.

I am very impressed with the NICEIC "Learning Lounge" as well.

D

 

[JPS]

Registered with Napit 2&1/2yrs, no problems with them. Major problem with all the shoddy work and incompetence in the trade(s).

 

[bugsy]

NIC-EIC
Ive been with them since 1989, at the time the ECA was an old boy's club for larger contractors
I have always found the NIC fair ( not as good since they have changed their status.)
I find the fees generally ( all bodies) a bit over the top especially as most reporting ect id reported on line and the yearly assessments are chared as a additional cost

 

[rocker]

I'm elecsa. I know people always look for NIC because of homes under the bloody hammer and that lot, but elecsa seem to be more neutral whilst NIC will always drag the spark over the coals over the slightest unfounded complaint. Elecsa also have great technical help and just seem to 'be there' for the contractor. I think over time Elecsa will emerge as the 'specialist' scheme, and NIC will prove to be the two-question-and-in cowboy magnet that it really is. I REALLY WANT TO CLARIFY I don't think everyone on NIC is like this and I'm sure most of the people on this site aren't, but I also reckon that in a few years you will all be with elecsa because you will be fed up with being associated with the dross that NIC allow in on a daily basis.....

NAPIT can balls.....

 

[electric-ian]

Hi all,

I've been with NAPIT since 2005.
They've always been helpful and friendly. Assessments are always straight forward. Tech help and admin are good also.

 

[Blueblood]

Hi all

Im registered with the ECA for Commercial and Industrial work and ELECSA for Domestic Installations ,

Hi mate could you tell me how much it cost you

 

[Brian Boyd]

I`m not registered with anyone yet but am using NICEIC Certificates that are available to none registered contractors with the intention of registering soon.

 

[netblindpaul]

NICEIC as AC, becuase this was what my commercial/industrial customers requested.
Paul

 

[GT1]

just getting jobs together for NIC domestic installer
CU change plus a.n.other.. 450 quid..!! ouch

 

[Tek]

NICEIC for two years, just changed to Napit.

I can't agree with anyone posting anything like, 'A is better than B'. We've all encountered disgraceful installs by members of various organisations.

 

[Amp David]

Have now joined ELECSA. only been with them a short whiles so can't comment yet.

My vote should be cahnged now.

 

[robsparky1975]

I guess the difference is really one of how much experience do you have. Me, I'm at the latter end of my youth; my experience is soured by experience; I am not put off by money grabbing aggressive approaches of the marketing guys, I'm still more inclined to favour the personal touch as portrayed by Elecsa. I quite like Napit but they a bit out of reach when it comes to what I want.

I learnt my electrics something like IEE 12/13th Edition.. in the 70's .. gave up due to being out of touch and I then decided to become competent again and I must say I quite like the new regime

When it comes down to it I think it doesn't really matter who you join up with, just go by personal taste. At the end of the day you will become experienced and worthy by which I mean your Clients will be your advert and your recommendation! These companies that we have to register with are not to be our masters so much as our servants in time of need & like all good servants you have to pay them to keep them handy

very well said

 

[Deleted member 15799]

Not registered yet.
Met Tony Cable of NICEIC who said I could get the VAT off by going through him, so £370 inc VAT instead of £370 plus VAT.
Trouble is he said someone would call me back, but they haven't got round to it yet.
Not sure they value my (or anyone's) business very much.
Thinking ELECSA or NAPIT might give better service to their customers.
Nobody I've worked for recently gave a damn who I was registered with or even if was registered at all.
Wouldn't bother if Bristol City Council didn't want a minimum of £120 per notifiable job

 

[sparkytel]

I am with Elecsa.
As a start up, it was helpful that they din't need to see as many sites for the inspection as NICEIC.
In a previous role as PDH for a different company, I went through the NICEIC mid term assessment also.
I found the NICEIC and Elecsa inspections to be similar in terms of rigour.

I am likely to register with NICEIC later in the year also because they have a much higher public profile.

I am very impressed with the NICEIC "Learning Lounge" as well.

D

Hi Danny,

I work for Learning Lounge so thanks for the testimonial, I should just point out that Learning Lounge is a privately run company and we work in association with many orgs such as NICEIC and Megger to produce the content and you will shortly see some Elecsa sponsored content as well.

Best regs

Terry

 

[Voltimax]

Trouble is he said someone would call me back, but they haven't got round to it yet.
Not sure they value my (or anyone's) business very much.

Very true, when you are registered with them and have an issue with them, they are very awkward and don't seem to give a flying .......... about you.

 

[deafboy]

Just had my NAPIT Assesment chap was really nice and helpfull, all went well.
Hopefully i will sleep better tonight

 

[zeljuga]

Niceic

 

[SA_Paddy]

I will shortly be registering with the NIC. Although i would prefer to Register with ELECSA they unfortunately dont have the Publicity that the NIC has. I've met far too many Sparks on Building sites that have lost jobs due to the customers wanting a NIC approved Sparky - never having heard of ELECSA. We all know that its the same scheme - the customer doesnt, and the customer isnt interested in our stories because of adverts stating to only use a NIC approved electrician.

 

[tonys]

Not registered / No Intention On Registering

 

[P&Q]

Just had my NAPIT Assesment, [FONT=&quot] [/FONT]field officer was really nice and helpfull, all went well.[FONT=&quot][/FONT]

 

[moosey86]

I know this is a very very general question that people hate... but I really am at a limb on what would be best for my company.

I get in as much commercial and industrial work as pos and very rarely do domestic (naughty but never had one signed off because of all the part p malarky) but that doesn't mean to say it isn't a proper install because they all are.

I have 2391, 2330, 17th and NVQ L2.
I do periodics as part of my work too (industrial and commercial)

I'm thinking NIC coz of the reputation. But the rest of them I have no idea if they are suited to me. I've read this whole thread and still have no idea who I should go for!!

Based on my status can anyone suggest who they think I should go with?

Cheers

 

[dixon9]

I'm about to register with a part-p scheme and I must admit to being in a real dilemna over who to join.

I've narrowed it down to either Elecsa or NIC.

Why those two? Well, the bloke I work with is with Elecsa and the feedback from him and forums such as this is that they are a great no-nonsense and friendly organisation who also come under the umbrella of the ECA. The NIC because they are so well marketed and publicised. A lot of Joe Public almost see them as "Part - P" and recognise them straight away.

I do admit that I see joining the NIC almost "going over to the dark side"; I don't like the way they portray themselves as the definitive and only scheme - there's a degree of dishonesty there - but this is where I would have to have to guts to stand up to my principles and put them to one side and join Elecsa isn't it? Trouble is, when faced with the possibility of getting possibly more work with a NIC symbol on the van it's not so easy to stick to ones principles - gutless as I am.

There is the possibility of course that Elecsa will publicise themselves as aggressively as the NIC do - and why not? I would have thought that the ECA would have even more clout. So why don't they? Their members would be much better off if they did. Why moan about the NIC and their never-ending steamrolling advertising and pomposity? It's not the NIC's fault that the other schemes seem to sit meekly by and let them get on with it with no opposition whatsoever.

Once the principle aspect is overcome there is the issue of cost - both schemes seem to be much of a muchness in that respect. But then I would be a new start-up company - do the NIC allow this? At one point they wanted your company to be active for at least 12 months.

Then there is this PIR issue. As we know, you do not need to be part-p registered to carry out PIR's - but it would be nice to be able to use logo headed PIR's wouldn't it - although at what financial cost?! And do they require 2391 also for this privilidge?

I´ll weigh all this up and come to a decision soon.

 

[dixon9]

Quick follow up; I´ve just confirmed joining costs with both organisations:

NICEIC

Full Scope application + 1/2 day visit = 468 inc VAT (joining on-line)

After joining, should you wish to use NICEIC PIR paperwork you can apply for a PIR assessment when they require to inspect 2 PIR's you have carried out = 348 inc VAT

So, total cost for both is 816 inc VAT (or without PIR assessment using generic PIR's then just the 468 inc VAT).

ELECSA

Full Scope application + 1/2 day visit = 444 inc VAT (joining on-line)

Once you have passed the assessment then you are able to use ELECSA logo PIR's at no extra cost.

 

[Amp David]

Is the Elecsa rule a new one then?