Wiring Question Chandelier

[notmuchgoingon86]

I have a new 15 arm chandelier, each arm has 2 lights which use G9 LED bulbs (3W equivalent). Each arm also has four wires coming into the base of the chandelier. My question is what is the best way to wire/bundle all 60 wires so they hook up to the hot and neutral safely. There are 30 wires that need to hook up to each. Not sure how to do this. Any advice would be welcomed.

 

[DPG]

I would contact the supplier and advise them that it is not suitable for use.

 

[notmuchgoingon86]

I would contact the supplier and advise them that it is not suitable for use.

Is there no way you think that this can work?

 

[DPG]

Is there no way you think that this can work?

Can you post a picture of the wiring so we can see it. Was it supplied to you like this or is it home made?

 

[notmuchgoingon86]

Can you post a picture of the wiring so we can see it. Was it supplied to you like this or is it home made?

It came like this.

 

[DPG]

Return it to the supplier for a refund. Sorry, but that is not an easy DIY thing to sort out.

 

[notmuchgoingon86]

Return it to the supplier for a refund. Sorry, but that is not an easy DIY thing to sort out

I could hire an electrician to install it, I am just curious to know if it is possible and what they would most likely do.

 

[DPG]

I could hire an electrician to install it, I am just curious to know if it is possible and what they would most likely do.

I doubt you would find an electrician willing to install that to be honest.

 

[notmuchgoingon86]

I doubt you would find an electrician willing to install that to be honest.

Basically you are saying it is a fire hazard and should not be installed??

 

[DPG]

Basically you are saying it is a fire hazard and should not be installed??

Well I'm saying it's incomplete and not in a fit state to connect. Which is why you're struggling to connect it. Surely you expected it to be usable when you received it, rather than needing extra work doing?

 

[notmuchgoingon86]

Well I'm saying it's incomplete and not in a fit state to connect. Which is why you're struggling to connect it. Surely you expected it to be usable when you received it, rather than needing extra work doing?

Yes which I accept is the case, but I am willing to hire an electrician to finish it and install it. I am curious why you said no electrician would do that? I assumed you said that because of safety reasons. Aren't we talking about just bundling the hots and neutrals together and then hooking them up to the house wiring? It doesnt seem that complex but maybe I am missing something.

 

[DPG]

Yes which I accept is the case, but I am willing to hire an electrician to finish it and install it. I am curious why you said no electrician would do that? I assumed you said that because of safety reasons. Aren't we talking about just bundling the hots and neutrals together and then hooking them up to the house wiring? It doesnt seem that complex but maybe I am missing something.

Yes, but it needs doing in a safe manner. I'm not saying nobody will do it, but your average electrician will not want to be sat there joining 60 wires together before they fit it!

Again though, was it made clear when you bought it that it was not ready for use?

 

[notmuchgoingon86]

Yes, but it needs doing in a safe manner. I'm not saying nobody will do it, but your average electrician will not want to be sat there joining 60 wires together before they fit it!

Again though, was it made clear when you bought it that it was not ready for use?

I accept the lamp is not complete and I could return it but I happen to like the chandelier. So I am looking for solutions here. So my question to you or others on the forum is HOW would you go about taking the 30 hots and 30 neutrals and binding them together so they could connect to the house wiring?

 

[DPG]

I accept the lamp is not complete and I could return it but I happen to like the chandelier. So I am looking for solutions here. So my question to you or others on the forum is HOW would you go about taking the 30 hots and 30 neutrals and binding them together so they could connect to the house wiring?

With that many wires I would be looking at adhesive lined heatshrink sleeving and probably staggered joints. The amount of wires involved will mean a separate enclosure will be required as they will not fit in the lamp itself.

Care would need to be taken to ensure no wiring can touch the metal work. Is the lamp earthed?

 

[notmuchgoingon86]

Thank you very much for the suggestion. To be honest as a DIY'er I have no idea what any of that means, but hopefully someone with electrical training and experience will be able to help me do. the install.

 

[DPG]

Thank you very much for the suggestion. To be honest as a DIY'er I have no idea what any of that means, but hopefully someone with electrical training and experience will be able to help me do. the install.

I hope you can get it working, I imagine it will be pretty impressive. Send a photo of it when it is installed and lit up!

 

[Carolina]

Bit late but I'd use these "quick connectors"

Connectors - For Solid and Stranded Wires Samples HCPM (148-90042) | HellermannTyton

148-90042

www.hellermanntyton.co.uk

Used them before for sockets where the wires have been cut too much and was impossible to perform a splice in other way without running a new wire. The box says they're fine for up to 25 amps but I'm a bit skeptical of that, but for something like this involving LED lights I'd say they're more than fine.

Grab a few of the black ones and wire them together, then the lights. If you notice the cables are too thin (they look less than 0.5mm to me) insert two into each hole, make sure they're tight otherwise they could snap off and short the fixture.

 

[notmuchgoingon86]

I hope you can get it working, I imagine it will be pretty impressive. Send a photo of it when it is installed and lit up!

OK so I thoughtfully and methodically bound all the 30 hots and neutrals together and then bound the hot and neutral from the feeder wire that goes up into the ceiling. When I connected the chandelier and tried to turn it on the switch sparked and fried? What do you think is going on???

 

[DPG]

OK so I thoughtfully and methodically bound all the 30 hots and neutrals together and then bound the hot and neutral from the feeder wire that goes up into the ceiling. When I connected the chandelier and tried to turn it on the switch sparked and fried? What do you think is going on???

Send it back. Not worth the risk. As I said before I'm not sure why they are selling something in that state.

 

[Carolina]

OK so I thoughtfully and methodically bound all the 30 hots and neutrals together and then bound the hot and neutral from the feeder wire that goes up into the ceiling. When I connected the chandelier and tried to turn it on the switch sparked and fried? What do you think is going on???

Something shorted or there's too much resistance the ball of wires you made. The switch only controls the live wire by the way, not both.

 

[Timbo]

OK so I thoughtfully and methodically bound all the 30 hots and neutrals together and then bound the hot and neutral from the feeder wire that goes up into the ceiling. When I connected the chandelier and tried to turn it on the switch sparked and fried? What do you think is going on???



So what happened to the electrician you said you would get to install it?

 

[DPG]

OK so I thoughtfully and methodically bound all the 30 hots and neutrals together and then bound the hot and neutral from the feeder wire that goes up into the ceiling. When I connected the chandelier and tried to turn it on the switch sparked and fried? What do you think is going on???

Advice has been given. If you wish to create a fire hazard then carry on. Sorry if that's harsh but your family's safety is more important than a light fitting.

 

[brianmoooore]

If I HAD to connect this thing up, I would group six wires together with a piece of 0.75mm2 singles, then solder and insulate with heat shrink.
Repeat for the other 9 groups, then group the five added singles together into their live and neutral groups, and solder them to a length of 3 core 0.75mm2 flex, again insulating with heat shrink, and finally connect the earth wire of the 3 core flex reliably to the metalwork of the chandelier.