Your going to laugh lads!!!!!!! NVQ3 - Domestic!!!!!

[Electricalserv]

I love this little statement from Napit and this is going to ruffle a few feathers.

For those choosing the qualification route, the Level 3 NVQ Certificate in Installing, Testing and Ensuring Compliance of Electrical Installation Work in Dwellings should be available from the 1st January 2012 as the minimum qualification level for Qualified Supervisors responsible for electrical work carried out in domestic properties which comes under Part P of the Building Regulations (for England and Wales).


My bold!!!!

NVQ3 - for domestic premises will be available from 2012.

Looks like the City & Guilds NVQ3 now has a little sister.

 

[baldsparkies]

And leval 0 in spelling lol oj E54. You just made me laugh listing all thyem high quals with that spelling!

Sorry bud, I become Dyslexic when I'm mad, plus i forgot to use spell check, and dont say you spelt thyem like that on purpose cus we all know your lying lol.

 

[Big n Daft]

"Its ok being a jack of all sectors and a master of none."

Personally I dont know one industrial/commercial spark that cant take on a rewire and make a good job of it. What happens if the tables are turned?

When I went to college they taught you the basics first ie. how to wire a house. Then moved on to controls and such like.
The parasites have turned the 'domestic installer' into a trade so they can make money, to me its just a part qualified sparks. I'm not try to get the rise, just how I see it having worked with a "domestic installer" who thought he was gods gift, he soon found otherwise.
Engineer 54 is bang on the money. The electrical industry has gone to the dogs and it cant be reversed, so you just have to go with the flow and use the system as best you can.
Should have been a joiner!!!!

 

[Electricalserv]

Sorry bud, I become Dyslexic when I'm mad, plus i forgot to use spell check, and dont say you spelt thyem like that on purpose cus we all know your lying lol.

No thyem was spelt like that because my slight of hand wasn't good enough to move from t -h in a quick manner as y lies between them!!!

 

[alarm man]

es,time for bed,you'll never get for school in the morning..nite nite,sleep tight..

 

[Des 56]

Domestic electrical installation cant be regulated successfully,thats the bottom line

Its useles having argument about this sector of an electricians trade
It is and was a free for all to whoever thinks they can do it,all singiung all dancing sparks,domestic installers.it alters nothing,


part p changed nothing and changed part p will also change nothing
It was never about safety and time has shown that to be true

It is and has been a working tax on the legitamate spark and thats all it can ever be
At least it has been very successfull in transporting money out of our pockets to any vested interested parties,nothing more, nothing less

 

[Engineer54]

Not for lads wanting to be a competent domestic installer

There is no such animal, that term has been fabricated by the scheme providers and others for there own money spinning purposes. You are an Electrician, ...Full Stop!!!

What these 5 day wonders maybe called, ....could possibly well be called ''domestic installers'' After all they are the ones the scam providers have gone out of there way to facilitate there numbers, by giving them some official recognition and creedence!!!

 

[Dcf]

I've just done a 17th course and got the impression if you didn't know any of this stuff before u got in that classroom you shouldnt even b sparking.basic stuff reallyThe problem now is that u have a whole industry piggybacked onto ours that has got to get it's money from somewhere.Ie all of usNeed more revenue? Change the goal postsI'm all for the raising of standards throughout the trade thoughI've worked with commercial sparks who I would not trust to wire a plugI've also worked with guys who mainly did domestic, but were vastly experienced in all aspects of the trade who left full time commercial boys in the dustThe point being, a broad range of experience is transferrable to other sectors of the trade let's not try to limit that eh?

 

[Spudnik]

Well i think we could be going round in circles forever.

Until the 'official' word comes from the powers that be, it will all just be speculation.

 

[Big n Daft]

And thats my whole point.
You SHOULD have been able to cover an apprentiship, but through no fault of your own you couldn't. Now your wide open to the money grabbers and scheme providers whims.

AS an example I am 58 years old, started my apprentiship in 1970 have a jib gold approved electrician card, a platinum electrical site managers card 236 part 1 and 2, 2391 leval 3 in inspection and testing, leval 3 16th and 17th editions along with ECS health and safety assesments. I finished my apprentiship in 1974. and I have been a qualified supervisor for over 10 years. There was no NVQ 3 in 1974, so I dont have one, I have been a qualified electrician since 1974 thats a long time commercial industrial domestic its all there. But I dont and would have had no reason to have an NVQ 3 so here I am 2011 58 years old without an NVQ3 suddenly I'm not qualified or competant, sorry but the whole thing is a money spinning farce. Yes get rid of the cowboys but now you and I are wide open to these money grabbers holding us to ransom and saying unless you pay us and cover this course, we wont accept your a qualified electrician. Its a joke.
We work hard over the years covering all kinds of courses and exams, and then a bunch of ****s sit around a table and suddenly decide that all our hard work means jack sh#t. its not on. Off soapbox with apoligies for ranting.

Bravo:hurray:
Thats whats wrong with the industry in one rant.
Read that all you "sparks" that have come into the trade by means other than the apprenticed route and you can see why the old boys get cheesed off.
Tell me I cant work on a house because I'm not qualified:svengo:, take a hike.

 

[lee72]

Should have been a joiner!!!!

would you be a domestic joiner or commercial... first fix or second fix.. site or bench ???? imo if you cant do all your not a joiner !!!... ... just a little joke lads..
to lighten the mood !! arty3:

 

[DurhamSparky]

i came in to he trade via a non electrical apprentice route!!! why should teh old boys be cheesed off!! its part and parcel of changing times!!

 

[Big n Daft]

Should have been a joiner!!!!

would you be a domestic joiner or commercial... first fix or second fix.. site or bench ???? imo if you cant do all your not a joiner !!!

Correct ask my 80 yr old dad

 

[lee72]

Should have been a joiner!!!!

would you be a domestic joiner or commercial... first fix or second fix.. site or bench ???? imo if you cant do all your not a joiner !!!

Correct ask my 80 yr old dad

joking aside... that`s sort of my point... years ago a joiner would be able to turn his hand to all aspects from bench, to site to roofing to shop-fitting etc.. all these are now individualize trades.. it`s just unfortunately a sign of the times, and i can`t ever see it going back to " the good old days".
i do hope that soon the powers that be licensed the electrical trade.. ( and not at the cost of the working spark ) whether apprentice trained or any other route. ( a good spark is a good spark.. fact).
this is a fantastic forum but recently just turning into a --- for tat troll fest.
thats my view... one last beer then bed !!

 

[geofff]

Have any of you considered becoming an NVQ assessor? good money I think, and the ability to NOT certify the incompetant. What more could you ask for?
I hold NVQ3, 2391, 2382 and 25+years experience. The NVQ can be used as a weapon to defend our trade, please use it as such. I have helped over 20 lads through their NVQ3, the wasters and incompetant have fallen by the wayside, their fault not mine.
As for the experienced sparky, the NVQ will cost you, you will have to put in a few bits of paperwork, you will have to be assessed, shouldn't be a drama. Once the fools are weeded out you may even see more work due to fewer "sparkies" being around.

 

[sparks_114]

Have any of you considered becoming an NVQ assessor? good money I think, and the ability to NOT certify the incompetant. What more could you ask for?
I hold NVQ3, 2391, 2382 and 25+years experience. The NVQ can be used as a weapon to defend our trade, please use it as such. I have helped over 20 lads through their NVQ3, the wasters and incompetant have fallen by the wayside, their fault not mine.
As for the experienced sparky, the NVQ will cost you, you will have to put in a few bits of paperwork, you will have to be assessed, shouldn't be a drama. Once the fools are weeded out you may even see more work due to fewer "sparkies" being around.

Perhaps in my twilight years when I am no good for the physical side of things. At the moment I am 30 so I'll do a bit more of the hard stuff I think and if I am still around much later then yes why not. And as a matter of fact many good sparks have moved onto education and scheme provider inspector positions to sign up (or reject?!) applicants. Well that's where the money is for sure!

 

[Paul.M]

I'm just going to paint a picture of what this segregated domestic only nvq will entail:- Please send in a picture of...... a 1 way and a two way lighting circuit, a ring final using 2.5, a radial socket circuit using 4mm, a cooker circuit, shower circuit, a c/u change incorporating the use of rcds, an extractor fan, an outside light or socket.. With your photos please enclose £1000+ vat. It's another way to get more money out of people getting into the trade. Do we have to take it if we already have tech quals? Probably. Who on here thinks that a "domestic nvq installer" will be paid the same wage as a time served spark with level 3 cert, not a chance, this will open up the flood gates for new domestic electricians and supply and demand springs to mind. Anyway let's just wait 6 months or so until er start getting questions on her like "can anyone give me a week of experience so I can complete my nvq Dom installer cert, I'll pay you!". Also look at the timing of this news, 6 months to get the new tech books written, printed and in the shops for Xmas with the new regs amendments. I my eyes they are putting out a small fire with an ocean of water. Let's see what happens by this time next year.

 

[baldsparkies]

I know I keep ranting but please be patient with this old boy whilst I rant a little more.
If a young lad decides to come into the trade, and follows a set recognised standard to follow and acheive his goal of becoming a qualified electrician, and thats exactly what I and others did 42 years ago. Then who or what has the right 40 years down the road to say your not qualified any more.
Ok its acceptable to say you might not be up to speed with current regualations, because technology is and will always be changing. The money grabbers have taken care of that with 16th and 17th edition upgrades. I accept that. My point is that there should as many years ago, be a recognised proggression to becoming a qualified electrician once you are, YOU ARE, end off. You have worked and studied hard to pass your exams, you now deserve to be deemed qualified, and now your qualified you can follow a life long path of learning and experiancing the many diverse routes you can and will follow along your life as a qualified electrician. That may well mean you are better at some things than others, depending on what road you take. You might become a first class domestic sparks, you might become a maintenance electrician and be super quick at fault finding and getting gear up and running quickly, you might become an industrial installation sparks and be sh#t hot with your tube and tray work. (Blimey look at Steve's sets there all identical the guys mustard) Does not matter though cus once qualified your qualified and no money grabbing **** should ever be allowed to insult any of us by changing that. End of rant.

 

[sbrown2]

I am slightly confused by this topic and the concern it is causing. Is it not a good idea to raise the qualifications required for the domestic installer? Does domestic include flats or mass living areas, swimming pools etc? What you would have is a guy with domestic electrical qualifications that are easily transferrable to other sectors.
I am curious as I have a mate who's lad is completing a similar NVQ relating to the built envoronment and seeing the log book he has demonstrates their are a lot of elements to be completed. Most on here should not be concerned as we have five months to ensure we do not require this qualification to become a QS. Just faxed my application of to NAPIT!!!!!!!!

 

[millwall ken]

I know I keep ranting but please be patient with this old boy whilst I rant a little more.
If a young lad decides to come into the trade, and follows a set recognised standard to follow and acheive his goal of becoming a qualified electrician, and thats exactly what I and others did 42 years ago. Then who or what has the right 40 years down the road to say your not qualified any more.
Ok its acceptable to say you might not be up to speed with current regualations, because technology is and will always be changing. The money grabbers have taken care of that with 16th and 17th edition upgrades. I accept that. My point is that there should as many years ago, be a recognised proggression to becoming a qualified electrician once you are, YOU ARE, end off. You have worked and studied hard to pass your exams, you now deserve to be deemed qualified, and now your qualified you can follow a life long path of learning and experiancing the many diverse routes you can and will follow along your life as a qualified electrician. That may well mean you are better at some things than others, depending on what road you take. You might become a first class domestic sparks, you might become a maintenance electrician and be super quick at fault finding and getting gear up and running quickly, you might become an industrial installation sparks and be sh#t hot with your tube and tray work. (Blimey look at Steve's sets there all identical the guys mustard) Does not matter though cus once qualified your qualified and no money grabbing **** should ever be allowed to insult any of us by changing that. End of rant.

That don't sound too much like a rant, more the truth.

 

[millwall ken]

I am slightly confused by this topic and the concern it is causing. Is it not a good idea to raise the qualifications required for the domestic installer? Does domestic include flats or mass living areas, swimming pools etc? What you would have is a guy with domestic electrical qualifications that are easily transferrable to other sectors.
I am curious as I have a mate who's lad is completing a similar NVQ relating to the built envoronment and seeing the log book he has demonstrates their are a lot of elements to be completed. Most on here should not be concerned as we have five months to ensure we do not require this qualification to become a QS. Just faxed my application of to NAPIT!!!!!!!!

Mate, NO ONE is disputing that the domestic sector needs tightening up - and for that the powers-that-be should be congratulated for getting off of their lazy a**** and getting the ball rolling. But I believe that most of us on here are just too cynical to believe that 'anyone' (HM Govt, C&G, JIB, KGB or whoever) are doing this to help the little man. As I've stated earlier, I'm going to withold judgement until I see the actual qualification criterior.

 

[AP Electrical]

I personally feel this will end in a two-teir system with domestic on one side and commercial/industrial on the other, the nic, elecsa and napit are going to need to keep there turnover stable and as I've said the current tech cert could easily be condensed into a couple of weeks if just focused on domestic and a bit of H&S - dont see why jib wouldnt water tech cert down it's not like domestic need to know how a cage motor works or about phasor diagrams, if this did happen then i cant see domestic sparks being elevated in the industry, it'll just mean the 5DW become a grand lighter and then inaugurated as electrical trainee (week wonders!?!) pardon the pun but it just seem there trying to justify part p , its been a disaster and when it's reviewed in oct'11 they want to say 'yes we got some things wrong but look at this Nvq domestic thats how we'll sort it'. also If c&g did keep the syllabus for the 2356 (ind/comm/dom) that would put a definate line in the sand making domestic sparks the little brother to an approved spark - that cant be a good thing.
if theres devision on here now imagine when theres domestic vs commercial .....lol

 

[millwall ken]

I personally feel this will end in a two-teir system with domestic on one side and commercial/industrial on the other, the nic, elecsa and napit are going to need to keep there turnover stable and as I've said the current tech cert could easily be condensed into a couple of weeks if just focused on domestic and a bit of H&S - dont see why jib wouldnt water tech cert down it's not like domestic need to know how a cage motor works or about phasor diagrams, if this did happen then i cant see domestic sparks being elevated in the industry, it'll just mean the 5DW become a grand lighter and then inaugurated as electrical trainee (week wonders!?!) pardon the pun but it just seem there trying to justify part p , its been a disaster and when it's reviewed in oct'11 they want to say 'yes we got some things wrong but look at this Nvq domestic thats how we'll sort it'. also If c&g did keep the syllabus for the 2356 (ind/comm/dom) that would put a definate line in the sand making domestic sparks the little brother to an approved spark - that cant be a good thing.
if theres devision on here now imagine when theres domestic vs commercial .....lol

Which I believe is what a lot of people in the authorities want. Like something from the US...
I want to know for example: If you are a commercial spark, are YOU going to be allowed to do domestic work with your current quals, or are you going to have to do this new qual as well.

 

[malcolmsanford]

I know I keep ranting but please be patient with this old boy whilst I rant a little more.
If a young lad decides to come into the trade, and follows a set recognised standard to follow and acheive his goal of becoming a qualified electrician, and thats exactly what I and others did 42 years ago. Then who or what has the right 40 years down the road to say your not qualified any more.
Ok its acceptable to say you might not be up to speed with current regualations, because technology is and will always be changing. The money grabbers have taken care of that with 16th and 17th edition upgrades. I accept that. My point is that there should as many years ago, be a recognised proggression to becoming a qualified electrician once you are, YOU ARE, end off. You have worked and studied hard to pass your exams, you now deserve to be deemed qualified, and now your qualified you can follow a life long path of learning and experiancing the many diverse routes you can and will follow along your life as a qualified electrician. That may well mean you are better at some things than others, depending on what road you take. You might become a first class domestic sparks, you might become a maintenance electrician and be super quick at fault finding and getting gear up and running quickly, you might become an industrial installation sparks and be sh#t hot with your tube and tray work. (Blimey look at Steve's sets there all identical the guys mustard) Does not matter though cus once qualified your qualified and no money grabbing **** should ever be allowed to insult any of us by changing that. End of rant.

If you go back to post #36 where Serv attached the Draft proposal for this JIB Domestic Electrician Card on the part concerning admittance criteria it says that a gold card installation electrician, not even an approved, can have this title added onto the card. I believe also that there is going to be another card for PV installer, but again a gold card electrician can have this added to his card if they have done the PV course.

As far as I can see the electrician that was lucky enough to have taken the apprentice route with the old style qualifications of either B C or the 236 will not need to do this new NVQ.

 

[IQ Electrical]

If you go back to post #36 where Serv attached the Draft proposal for this JIB Domestic Electrician Card on the part concerning admittance criteria it says that a gold card installation electrician, not even an approved, can have this title added onto the card. I believe also that there is going to be another card for PV installer, but again a gold card electrician can have this added to his card if they have done the PV course.

As far as I can see the electrician that was lucky enough to have taken the apprentice route with the old style qualifications of either B C or the 236 will not need to do this new NVQ.

I agree, that's the way it looks based on the (sparse) information currently available.

 

[topquark]

Should have been a joiner!!!!

would you be a domestic joiner or commercial... first fix or second fix.. site or bench ???? imo if you cant do all your not a joiner !!!... ... just a little joke lads..
to lighten the mood !! arty3:

First fix defo, coz you don't need half as many tools

Can't see that the proposed change is going to change much apart from benefiting the course providers. Minimum of a degree please :dunce2:

 

[Electricalserv]

I can't for my life believe the reaction to this fantastic idea to tighten our industry up.


For years the industry has bemoaned the domestic sector, the 5dw's and the easy route in. Now it looks like the industry has sat up and offered an NVQ3 in domestic installtion to ensure competencey in that sector of all QS's.


Why nobody can see that this was the only option for Part P work I don't know?

If I can explain.


The schemes are only here because of Part P. Part P is the domestic sector only. The industry wanted to tighten up as a whole, so needed to stop unqualified members of the public gaining short course quals and starting up shop as one man bands.

For the schemes to then come out and say the only way we can do this is if all electricians sit the current city & guilds NVQ3 they would have not leg to stand on because the NVQ3 covers a range of activities that goes far beyond the scope that they cover. We have to remember they cover domestic only. No tray, no basket, no steel trunking!


So as an industry and as schemes they had to look at a qualification that covers PART P and that answer is an NVQ3 that covers domestic scope. A qualification that can say....I've been assessed on my practical work and I'm a competent electrician who works in dwellings.


All this bravado about driving rates down is absolute tosh!!! It will drive them up!!! At this very moment we have 5DW's in the domestic sector and thats what drived rates down. Unskilled men working in the sector for £80 a day.


This NVQ3 will qualifiy you as an electrician in domestic premises and it will be the same rate an any electrician in any sector from the JIB!


If the JIB decide to give the Domestic Electrician a lesser rate, it is they who are seperating the industry and they who are driving rates down and anyone who feels disgrunted about it needs to wake up. There is a wide variety of electricians now and we are all skilled in our own sectors and thats that!

 

[AP Electrical]

"This NVQ3 will qualifiy you as an electrician in domestic premises and it will be the same rate an any electrician in any sector from the JIB!"

I can see your chain of thought, but to become a 'domestic electrician' would be diff than a commercial electrician a lot of the tech knowledge wouldnt be needed thus speeding up the process for qualification as a domestic spark and there's no way the pay would be comparible as theres diff skill sets involved imo.

"If the JIB decide to give the Domestic Electrician a lesser rate, it is they who are seperating the industry and they who are driving rates down and anyone who feels disgrunted about it needs to wake up. There is a wide variety of electricians now and we are all skilled in our own sectors and thats that! "

JIB will do as they please no doubt, honestly cant see it changing a thing it's a smokescreen to keep the part p machine rolling.

 

[Guest123]

I haven't read the entire thread but this press release from the NIC explains the why's & wherefors quite well I think.

 

[AP Electrical]

I haven't read the entire thread but this press release from the NIC explains the why's & wherefors quite well I think.

Cant see could you repost pls.
ta

 

[IQ Electrical]

NICEIC | About Us | Press Releases

 

[Guest123]

NICEIC | About Us | Press Releases

 

[Electricalserv]

For work in the Commercial or Industrial Sectors, the minimum qualification requirement for Qualified Supervisors will be the new Level 3 NVQ Diploma in Installing Electrotechnical Systems and Equipment (Building and Structures).


Ahh so at last they are governing the commercial & industrial sectors aswell.


Best thing I've read from these schemes!!!

 

[Electricalserv]

The way i look at it is this: As it stands now all somebody has to do is sit the 17th (60 questions....open book....on line guess) and show he/she can perform safe isolation and prove this has been achieved, Then do an install for family/friend (buildings control) and then pay a fee to part p and there in the club.......totaly unacceptable. A minimum requirement should be the latest regs (2382), a MINIMUM 2392 ins and test and a good report from a previous employer that will show you are COMPETENT in the industry.

But the new way in will totaly exceed that.

This is how I look at it.

2382
2391
2330/2360 Level 3 tech cert
NVQ3 - Domestic
ECS H&S

or you're not in the club end of story. The tech cert takes a year the same as the NVQ3. 17th & 2391 are added extras. Which in my opinion should continue to be a must!

 

[malcolmsanford]

I'm on the fence to a degree here and agree with the Serv that the current levels of competence was not working, whether it was a 5 day course or whatever, and something had to be done, and the answer, or not as the case maybe is this new NVQ.

What galls me is, and always will be is 1 the dumbing down of the industry, 2 the governments/associations attempt to try and segregate our trade, in the exact same way they have done for the plumbing/gas industry. A Gas safe plumber now needs several costly certificates to work on domestic, domestic boilers, domestic appliances and then commercial, all these are different levels of competence according to their industry, all needing different certificates in order for work to be done on them, and it seems that we are going the same way.

The bottom line for me is train someone to be an Electrician first, and he will decide then if they wants to become commercial, industrial or domestic, or all 3. We would be up in arms if a doctor was just trained on heart surgery or oncology, without going through GENERAL TRAINING, the same with lawyers and nurses, but for us it is different, our betters or not, depending on your view, that includes the JIB, the NICEIC, ECA and Unions have allowed our skills to be devalued so much that most people think now they can leave being a baker for 30 years and in 5 weeks be a Domestic Installer/Electrician.

Is it ever going to now revert back to anything sensible, I doubt it, in all honesty this started 30 odd years ago with the diluted 2 yr course, and within my life time we will be a totally segregated trade, it is so sad to see, what was once a wonderful career is now aligned to being a plumber.

 

[Knobhead]

**Cancelled**

 

[Electricalserv]

The bottom line for me is train someone to be an Electrician first, and he will decide then if they wants to become commercial, industrial or domestic, or all 3. We would be up in arms if a doctor was just trained on heart surgery or oncology, without going through GENERAL TRAINING, the same with lawyers and nurses, but for us it is different, our betters or not, depending on your view, that includes the JIB, the NICEIC, ECA and Unions have allowed our skills to be devalued so much that most people think now they can leave being a baker for 30 years and in 5 weeks be a Domestic Installer/Electrician.

This is where I think think the industry has excelled. Instead of training people across the board in all sectors. You now focus on the sector you want and become a proffessional in. Whether its domestic, commercial or industrial.

When doctors finish their basic training they pick one area to specialise in. Yes they are trained in other aspects but they go for one and usually stick at it. Its the same princible here. If you want to be a domestic electrician stick to domestic qualifications. Learn domestic work. if you want to be a diverse electrician across the board take the divers qualification.

UI think this is a great move by the schemes and the JIB. Especially now that the JIB are on board and there will be a minimum wage domestic sparks can earn!

 

[Electricalserv]

I have my 2391 but do you think its neccesary for domestics? I know part p providers will let you do periodics with the 2392 as long as you SIT the 2391 within a year....no one said anything about actually passing it.
I think that the level 3 cert will definately prove competence but in this day and age how many will/can pay upwards of £1000 for it?

Well you can say how many can pay the £800 upwards for the current NVQ3.

The 2391-10 is a must mate. Competence in Inspection & Testing covers your back in the event of something going wrong. No other watered down Inspecting & Testing qual can do so!

 

[malcolmsanford]

This is where I think think the industry has excelled. Instead of training people across the board in all sectors. You now focus on the sector you want and become a proffessional in. Whether its domestic, commercial or industrial.

When doctors finish their basic training they pick one area to specialise in. Yes they are trained in other aspects but they go for one and usually stick at it. Its the same princible here. If you want to be a domestic electrician stick to domestic qualifications. Learn domestic work. if you want to be a diverse electrician across the board take the divers qualification.

UI think this is a great move by the schemes and the JIB. Especially now that the JIB are on board and there will be a minimum wage domestic sparks can earn!

sorry Serv you say it is good that general training for electricians is now no longer needed, that all you need to do is train for domestic, or PV, or Industrial, or Fire alarms only, that general training is no longer needed??

So we should not be trained generally and then decide to work in what we prefer??

 

[Electricalserv]

sorry Serv you say it is good that general training for electricians is now no longer needed, that all you need to do is train for domestic, or PV, or Industrial, or Fire alarms only, that general training is no longer needed??

So we should not be trained generally and then decide to work in what we prefer??

Malcom the general training is no longer required for some electricians. The industry has been split domestic/light commercial electricians and Heavy commercial/industrial.

I have no doubt the new NVQ3 - Domestic, will have steel conduit involved but won't have your baskets, trays, steel trunking & lots of unessessary areas that us domestic lads don't need in our locker.

This qualification will now give Domestic electricians an ability to stand tall and say we're Electricians too. We've been assessed and we're competent people. Not 5 day wonders and they will be a thing of the past.

If that means seperating from commercial and industrial sparks so be it. Its those who are the ones calling domestic electricians diet sparks. So I say good riddance!

 

[malcolmsanford]

Serv you have and never will hear me decry anyone doing domestic work, personally apart from core drilling it is my least favourite type of electrical work, I do not like it, the same that you do not like to do basket work, which again I don't like doing or tray work, which I don't mind.

If i had my way I would be building switch gear and panels doing all the wiring and connecting DB's as I enjoy that.

I think your missing my point, though I hate domestic work I can do it, though I hate tray I can do it, I love MICC work and can do it and I can do any type of containment work known to man, and some not known.

Why would you condone a practice that is not going to train a man to do as many differing types of work that the industry calls for. I can only surmise that your in favour of dumbing down the industry.