Part P

[DurhamSparky]

Just to sum it up


Part P is a building Regulation that is statutory and which must be followed when carrying out electrical work in domestic property.

Part P is NOT a qualification and any body going around saying they are Part P qualified and have a certificate are talking Bull....!! You DO NOT need to do a 2 week VRQ course
Electrical Course | Part P Electricial Course like this one with a training scheme to register as a Competent Person.

YOU NEED TO BE COMPETENT....!! this can be achieved by undertaking formal Electrical Quals at a college or by a training provider...!!

You do however need to know about the building Regs and Part P....!! you can download Approved Document P from the planning portal website.

The following schemes are the most popular with domestic sparks. Elecsa, Niceic and Napit. Upon registration with them you will be required to conduct a formal technical site assessment that will involve you changing or modifying the electrical set up drastically (Rewire/ Cu Change)

If you pass the assessment you are then freely allowed to carry out work in areas designated by building control that fall under the Part P umbrella http://www.partp.co.uk/downloads/public/CLGbuildingworkleaflet.pdf and any work that you carry out can be notified and signed off through them (the schemes) at a small cost (£2-4) and they will inform LABC for you.

If you decide not to register with a Part P scheme. be preared that notification of work to LABC can cost hundreds of pounds and drastically increase your price. They will also expect you to still carry out the tests and paperwork before they arrive to SIGN IT OFF


Recommended courses to do are:

A formal Technical Certificate that is achieved at Level 3 on the NQF (National Qualification Framework) i.e

C&G 2330 or BTEC Advanced/National Diploma.... This gives you the Underpinning Knowledge to build on. (achieved via college or distance learning 18months - 24months is time scale)

You will also Need 17th Edition Wiring Regulations C&G 2382 (if you dont have this you wont get any where in the trade.)

NVQ 3 2356 (its a Craft Certificate that although not needed is very desirable and normally achieved when doing an Apprenticeship but now freely available to "Bolt on" to your current Qualifications via distant learning.

C&G 2391 the ultimate qualification in the electrical world..! Inspection and Testing only to be achieved with considerable site and technical knowledge, closed book exam with a 30-40% pass rate.

C&G 2392 (lesser qualification of the 2391 and aimed at new sparks with little knowledge of inspection and testing, normally used as a starter course to grasp the fundamentals of what's required)

Signing off your work..!!!

you DO NOT need 2391 to sign of your work but you will be expected to have knowledge of inspection and testing to an achievable standard required to carry out and fill in the test results.
You also do not Need 2391 to carry out PIR's but should any thing happen and you go to court the 2391 certificate is your lifeline to prove competence in the field.



hope this helps...

comments and alterations welcome

 

[Spudnik]

You either pay your LABC to notify or join a scheme.

 

[odigi]

You either pay your LABC to notify or join a scheme.

rang my LABC today and they say they stopped doing this service as its not in the interest of their residents, since an electrician using this service would have to charge more. more jobs for the pro's I guess

 

[ELIMINATOR GUY]

Damn, just joined the forum, it said I was logged in, spent 21 mins typing loads of info and questions on part P, clicked submit and it said I do not have permission and booted me out.
I then had to read my email and log in again. ARRRRRRRGGGGGGGG

Oh, hello everyone...

I am new to this, so will try again tomorrow, lol

Eliminator Guy

 

[Phil]

Damn, just joined the forum, it said I was logged in, spent 21 mins typing loads of info and questions on part P, clicked submit and it said I do not have permission and booted me out.
I then had to read my email and log in again. ARRRRRRRGGGGGGGG

Oh, hello everyone...

I am new to this, so will try again tomorrow, lol

Eliminator Guy

you might want to post it here but welcome all the same

 

[andyb]

rang my LABC today and they say they stopped doing this service as its not in the interest of their residents, since an electrician using this service would have to charge more. more jobs for the pro's I guess

Part P says the work must be notified before work commences, unless you're in a scheme.

I would suggest that as long as you tell your lbc and you carry out the work to bs7671, then you have complied with the law.

What they do once you notify is up to them, but by my reading of the part p document I would suggest that you are are covered.

 

[ELIMINATOR GUY]

Morning folks, I will try again as I need some advice.

I was 40 last week and when I left school I worked with my dad for a few years doing domestic installation (he was a self emlpoyed spark) I then moved on to other things like working in warehouse then moved on to HGV driving. Then 2 years ago I got type 1 diabetes. Due to taking insulin dvla took my HGV licence away, so I have been trying to get back into the domestic installation game, at the start of this year I went to collage to sign up for a 2330 course, but was told that city & guilds have withdrawn the 2330 from sept 2010 so I would not be able to do it.
So I phoned the NICEIC and asked them what do I need to legaly do domestic house rewires on my own, the NIC told me I need 17th and part "P" then I could do full or part domestic installation rewires, then give them £435+VAT and they would inspect 2 of my jobs, if all is good, I would be registered and approved by NICEIC.

So I went to a private training course and did my IEE 17th edition last month, then did my part "P" 2 weeks ago, but after reading the start of this thread, I feel that I have wasted my time,

What I need to know is, now I have passed both of these how does it work...

If I do a full house rewire and want to sign my work off, were do I get the certificates from ?

or

Do I do the rewire then phone NICEIC and once they have tested my work, do they give me the certificates ?

Any advice would be great.
thanks

Eliminator Guy

 

[lecstar]

Certificates can be copied from the Wiring Regs Book (big red one) or Approved doc P.
You can also download them from NICEIC ELESA NAPIT etc.

 

[Phil]

if the nic are still the same they will require you to use their own certs which you can order direct fromm them or from city electrical if you want to save on the postage costs.

 

[ELIMINATOR GUY]

if the nic are still the same they will require you to use their own certs which you can order direct fromm them or from city electrical if you want to save on the postage costs.

I just phoned my local city electrical factors and they said they don't do anything like that, would prob have to get them from NICEIC.

What is the cert I issue actually called as I have seen some saying 17th edition and others saying part P domestic installation ?

Thanks

 

[ELIMINATOR GUY]

Certificates can be copied from the Wiring Regs Book (big red one) or Approved doc P.
You can also download them from NICEIC ELESA NAPIT etc.

Can't download anything from NICEIC as they website says I do not have permission, is that coz I am not a member yet ?

 

[Phil]

What is the cert I issue actually called as I have seen some saying 17th edition and others saying part P domestic installation ?

Thanks

an electrical installation certificate (EIC)

minor works (MW)

PIR periodic,
i thought you said you had done the part p course mate? if so they really should have enlightened you on the certs, don`t take it as a criticism to you it`s directed at the course, it`s really shocking that you could do a course and not know which certs and what they are called.

 

[ELIMINATOR GUY]

Yes, I have just done the part P, but it was that rushed, it was a lot to take in at once. lol thats why I am double checking on here before I do anything

 

[Phil]

notning wrong with asking mate. did it include the scheme fee?

 

[ELIMINATOR GUY]

notning wrong with asking mate. did it include the scheme fee?

Sorry mate, did what include the scheme fee ?

 

[Phil]

the part p course you did

 

[ELIMINATOR GUY]

If you mean scheme = niceic or something then no, it does not include it.

The part P, I did was a private training DISQ qualification for £595 + VAT and that was for a 1 week course and your test.

 

[Des 56]

From the NICEIC website

The qualification is achieved following successful completion of all 14 modular components, each of which has either practical assessment units and/or multiple choice theory assessment units. The modular components cover the significant aspects of electrical installations practices associated with domestic premises and when completed will satisfy the competency requirements of the Government Approved Competent Persons Schemes.

The DISQ is a 5 day programme comprising of training and assessment, to meet all the needs of the competent person scheme



You may or may not agree with my comments, however I need to make these comments because I feel the Niceic is, and has bee,n destroying the domestic sector for the traditional spark



There is no critisism of yourself intended with my comments,because this course was hopefully intended for people with the on the job experience that you have but who lack qualification for domestic installs covered by part p building regs

There is no evidence of on the job experience or training required as a pre requisit for entry on to their course that I could find,so they just sign them on,charge a lot of money then sign them up


How do they possibly think that 5 days of training manages to give the theoretical and practical skills required before being let loose on the unsuspecting customer, wholly unprepared unskilled workers , with the endorsment of that deplorable organisation the Niceic the customer may be unknowingly re assured by registration with that contemptable lot

What takes many people years of hard work and study ,to then find that an organisation such as the Niceic promotes this sort of thing is pathetic and annoying

If I were a member of that shoddy outfit I would make it known to them that they are selling the trade of electrician down the river for a few bob in training fees




There got that off my chest

 

[1billy wiz]

some people are clever & can pick things up quick, but ive been at it for 6 years & still ask questions.
im jib approved & get anchious when im not sure on somthing & no some sparks who aint got a clue if it aint metal munching or provided with a desighned drawing.
i wouldnt let someone do gas or electric in my house on the back of a week's course

 

[DurhamSparky]

nice to see my thread is been utilised just how i would have wnated it too!! keep it up guys.

EIC / MW and PIR forms can be found in bs7671 towards the back!! alternatively they can be bought on ebay downloaded from various schemes websites!! (i like elecsa ones as they are simple and not full of junk) or created on software that cost millions of pounds!!

 

[MiAmigo]

Can't download anything from NICEIC as they website says I do not have permission, is that coz I am not a member yet ?

You can download them free from the IEE site.