Advice for Mini Oven

[Kez 8]

Hi folks,
I have a mini oven /grill. The maker is ~Severin , I think they are maybe a German company... Received the oven, brand new via Ebay....It is a nice looking / quality machine however it has a two pin plug....
Can I use a reguler three pin plastic converter so I can plug in here in the UK, or would this be dangerous for an oven ? It is a 1500 W ....

 

[Darkwood]

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[Deleted member 72666]

It matters not who or where it was manufactured but what does matter is the country for its intended use. What voltage does the name plate state?

 

[DPG]

As above - let us know exactly what the rating plate says. A photo would be ideal, although you may not have permission yet as a new user. Daz

 

[Kez 8]

It matters not who or where it was manufactured but what does matter is the country for its intended use. What voltage does the name plate state?

It is 230 V 50 HZ

 

[Spoon]

Is it something like this? Severin Table Oven 20L | Crosscraft

As the manual says.







Connection to the mains supply






The appliance should only be connected to


an earthed socket installed in accordance


with the regulations. Make sure that the


supply voltage corresponds with the voltage


marked on the rating label of the appliance.


This product complies with all binding CE


labelling directives.

 

[DPG]

But that's what we're after - the rated voltage, etc. Daz

 

[Spoon]

haha. Don't you just love my useful posts.....

 

[Kez 8]

Everything on the plate as follows :
Severin 1500 W -
There is a Triangle shape,
Art.To 2036
CE ( in large format )
Type 2036
17 EX

Sorry my replies are so slow reaching you, they need to be reviewed first as I am a newbie :sad3:

 

[Kez 8]

Btw, There is a booklet with it ( in various languages ) The oven is described as a ~Rotisserie Toast Oven.. Yes it does look a bit like the one in the photo.... Not sure how many Litres this one is though...

 

[DPG]

If the voltage, etc. does prove to be OK I wouldn't recommend using a euro adaptor. They don't give very good contact and at that sort of power could lead to a bit of local overheating of the contacts. Would be better to fit the correct plug. Assuming the voltage/frequency requirements prove to be OK that is. Daz

 

[davesparks]

To the best of my knowledge a product supplied to the UK market for domestic use is legally required to have a BS1363 plug fitted.
If it doesn't then send it back and report the seller to trading standards for appropriate legal action to be taken against then

 

[telectrix]

if it comes with a 3 core flex, then just cut the mickey mouse plug off and fit a bs1363. if it's 2 core flex, then the applince should have a classII symbol.

 

[Kez 8]

If it doesn't then send it back and report the seller to trading standards for appropriate legal action to be taken against then

Unfortunately, it's way too late to do anything about it now.... Purchased the oven absolutely ago..... It's been in storage... Only recently unpacked it to place in my refurbished kitchen ...... I didn't expect it to have a two pin plug, such a disappointment ..

 

[Kez 8]

if it comes with a 3 core flex, then just cut the mickey mouse plug off and fit a bs1363. if it's 2 core flex, then the applince should have a classII symbol.

Where do I look for the Symbol ? Would that be the Triangular thing ?

 

[Kez 8]

" To be, or not to be, that is the question " So what's Shakespere got to do with this I hear you ask..

Two Pin or not two pin ! :smile5: Oh well the two pin saga continues .....:frown2:



Came across a Euro to UK convertor on Ebay which sounded interesting ...
Here's a bit of the blurb...

4 Way European Travel Adaptor
​

Traveling to the continent with multiple electrical products that will need charging or powering?​

Unsure how many power points there are going to be?​

[FONT=&quot]This 4 way travel adaptor is a great way to charge up, or power multiple items from just 1 European socket.​

​

[FONT=&quot]This products comes with 0.5 meters of cable and is rated at 13 amps total output, so can be used to power the more heavy duty appliances, unlike most cheap travel adaptors which are only rated at 7.5 amps.


[/FONT]
​

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So I write to the guy, to see if he had anything suitable for my needs, our conversation as follows !


" If your oven is only drawing 1500 watts at 230volts, then that's only around 6.5amps.
You have a couple of options: you can either just cut the european plug off and wire on a UK plug or you can buy this adaptor I sell, item number 161044930311
,Just type the number into the eBay search bar. This adaptor is on 1.00mm² cable which is rated at 10amps, so is heavy duty enough for your oven.
It has a 5amp fuse fitted but I can easily change it to a 10 amp for you. "

My reply ....

Many thanx for your advice, however, there is a discrpancy between what it says on the back plate of the oven.. 230 V, to the details written on the plug it is fitted with which reads ~ 250 V 16 Amp, which is a lot more than 10 Amps....
Obviously, I do need to be very careful in choosing the best option to go with for this oven.
What do you think of the conflicting info between the back plate and the plug ?

______

Well so far the Ebay seller hasn't responded, .... Probably tearing his hair out by now, I do rather have that affect on people ! :teeth_smile:

I'd be interested to know what you guys think ?
Also, IF, I decide to simply, cut off the two pin plug ( which is seemlessly molded onto the cord for safty ) Will it be OK, to attach an ordinary 3 pin plug ( not professionally molded to the cord, which concerns me a bit ) along with a 16 Amp fuse inside ??

 

[Kez 8]

" To be, or not to be, that is the question " So what's Shakespere got to do with this I hear you ask..

Two Pin or not two pin ! ... get it ? :smile5:

Oh well the two pin saga continues .....:frown2:



Came across a Euro to UK convertor on Ebay which sounded interesting ...
Here's a bit of the blurb...

4 Way European Travel Adaptor
​

Traveling to the continent with multiple electrical products that will need charging or powering?
Unsure how many power points there are going to be?​

[FONT=&amp]This 4 way travel adaptor is a great way to charge up, or power multiple items from just 1 European socket.​

[FONT=&amp]This products comes with 0.5 meters of cable and is rated at 13 amps total output, so can be used to power the more heavy duty appliances, unlike most cheap travel adaptors which are only rated at 7.5 amps.


[/FONT]
​

[/FONT]
So I write to the guy, to see if he had anything suitable for my needs, our conversation as follows !


" If your oven is only drawing 1500 watts at 230volts, then that's only around 6.5amps.
You have a couple of options: you can either just cut the european plug off and wire on a UK plug or you can buy this adaptor I sell, item number 161044930311
,Just type the number into the eBay search bar. This adaptor is on 1.00mm² cable which is rated at 10amps, so is heavy duty enough for your oven.
It has a 5amp fuse fitted but I can easily change it to a 10 amp for you. "

My reply ....

Many thanx for your advice, however, there is a discrpancy between what it says on the back plate of the oven.. 230 V, to the details written on the plug it is fitted with which reads ~ 250 V 16 Amp, which is a lot more than 10 Amps....
Obviously, I do need to be very careful in choosing the best option to go with for this oven.
What do you think of the conflicting info between the back plate and the plug ?

______

Well so far the Ebay seller hasn't responded, .... Probably tearing his hair out by now, I do rather have that affect on people ! :teeth_smile:

I'd be interested to know what you guys think ?
Also, IF, I decide to simply, cut off the two pin plug ( which is seemlessly molded onto the cord for safty ) Will it be OK, to attach an ordinary 3 pin plug ( not professionally molded to the cord, which concerns me a bit ) along with a 16 Amp fuse inside ??

 

[telectrix]

which reads ~ 250 V 16 Amp, which is a lot more than 10 Amps....


​that would appear to be the max. rating of the plug.i.e. it should not be used at >250V or > 16A.

 

[Kez 8]

which reads ~ 250 V 16 Amp, which is a lot more than 10 Amps....


​that would appear to be the max. rating of the plug.i.e. it should not be used at >250V or > 16A.

Do you mean, it will be ok for me to replace the two pin with a regular 3 pin plug plug and insert a 10 Amp Fuse, not a 13 Amp
Please be specific, I am not in the least bit electricity savvy , as by this time,no doubt, you might well have guessed :sad:

 

[telectrix]

you can fit a standard 3 pin UK plug, providing that it's a 3 core cable ( assuming that the oven is not classII ( identified by a symbol of a square within a square). the fuse size will depend on the csa of the flex. generally a 13A fuse would be appropriate.

 

[Kez 8]

you can fit a standard 3 pin UK plug, providing that it's a 3 core cable ( assuming that the oven is not classII ( identified by a symbol of a square within a square). the fuse size will depend on the csa of the flex. generally a 13A fuse would be appropriate.

Where would the Symbol, Square within Square be found, If there is one ? The only symbol I have found is a Triangular one on the back plate. Also, bit confused about the Fuse size depending on the ~ " CSA of the flix, What's that !!!! ?
Oh, it is ~ SO, embarrassing being Electrically .... Um, .. eh .... Challenged ! :banghead:


Ok, I have taken a look at the advised listing, the adapter looks good to me, it is a fully molded Schuko socket.
However, it will take no higher than a 10 Amp fuse. I hope this will be OK , instad of a 13 Amp ?

Also, I am still a little concerned about the idea of the ~Contacts getting hot ? Is this likely to be a problem, ie cause a risk of burns or possible fire hazard ?

Ideally I would far rather use this Schuko adapter than cut the cord and attach a regular three pin.... If this gets a thumbs up with you folks ! ? :icon7:

 

[telectrix]

easiest thing is to try it. as the oven is rated 1500watts, ( 6.25A ) then a 10A fuse should be adequate.

 

[stevethesparks]

take it into a reputable (preferably independent) electrical/appliance shop and get their opinion on it.

 

[Kez 8]

easiest thing is to try it. as the oven is rated 1500watts, ( 6.25A ) then a 10A fuse should be adequate.

Many thanx, I will do that .... Nice 'n Easy, the way I like things ! :biggrin5:

 

[Kez 8]

take it into a reputable (preferably independent) electrical/appliance shop and get their opinion on it.

There's no way I could do that, I am, very rurally, situated, and am ,also, without transport ......

Anyway, the nearest countryside town, which means a 14 mile cycle ride for me , there and back, doesnt even have an electrical service shop...

 

[telectrix]

There's no way I could do that, I am, very rurally, situated, and am ,also, without transport ......

Anyway, the nearest countryside town, which means a 14 mile cycle ride for me , there and back, doesnt even have an electrical service shop...

being so remote, are you sure that you have electrickery supply?

 

[Kez 8]

being so remote, are you sure that you have electrickery supply?

Um......You can't fool me.....:nono: Otherwise how would I be able to use my comp , eh ! ? Smarty pants ! :laugh3:

 

[telectrix]

can't fool me. lappy bluetooth tethered to mobile phone on mobile data. recharged from car smoke lighter or a dynamo driven from a push bike. i've lived in wales, been there , done that, got the blisters.

 

[DPG]

I really wouldn't use an adaptor plug on something that is of high current consumption like this is. Fit a proper plug. Daz

 

[telectrix]

6.5A is high current????? still prefer to see a bs1363 stuck in the flex though.

 

[Kez 8]

can't fool me. lappy bluetooth tethered to mobile phone on mobile data. recharged from car smoke lighter or a dynamo driven from a push bike. i've lived in wales, been there , done that, got the blisters.

DRAT ! You guessed ! :veryangry2:

 

[Kez 8]

6.5A is high current????? still prefer to see a bs1363 stuck in the flex though.

So What is a bs1363 ? ..BS, something to do with Bull S**T isn't it ? ... :smilielol5:

Look at what's happened now, you and Daz are about to come to blows over my fussing,

...and it's ALL my Fault ! :sad:

Honestly, I don't know wether to laugh or cry.... Right now the later I think .....:33::33::furious3::furious3::furious3::83: Anyone else want to join the party ? ..... :30:

When Kez crows they come to blows ! :bigcry:

 

[telectrix]

BS1363 plug:

 

[Kez 8]

BS1363 plug:

View attachment 32185

Yay ! Now I know !!! :smiley2:

 

[DPG]

Have you seen some of those euro adaptors? I wouldn't power an oven through them. Daz

 

[Kez 8]

Have you seen some of those euro adaptors? I wouldn't power an oven through them. Daz

Thanx 4 the warning ,Daz…


Yes, I scrolled through a few of those Euro adapter thingys on Ebay… flip open the lid and place the 2 pin inside.. looked a bit of a flimsy job to me so I, instinctively felt they weren’t right for my oven …
.....I want to toast my food, not ME ! :sad_smile:

 

[Kez 8]

UPDATE -

Hi folks, just heard back from the Ebay seller, he wanted to know if there was anything written on the cable, hadn't noticed it before, but, Yes, there is, indeed, writing on it ! :hurray:

As Follows - Enjoy !

VDE HO5RR - F 300 / 500V 3GO.75mm2
HUASHENG ELECTRICAL INDUSTRIAL CO. LTD
N / 40016788

 

[Richard Burns]

So to summarise
You have a 1500W 28L Severin 2036 mini oven.
The oven has a specified voltage of 230V 50Hz.
The oven instructions state that the appliance must be earthed.
The oven is supplied with a power cord that is a 3 core cable with EPR (rubber) insulation and sheathing of a cross sectional diameter of 0.75mm².
The plug on the end is a two pin plug suitable for European sockets (and presumably has a metal plate near the top of the inside face that would be an earth connector) suitable to take a voltage up to maximum 250V and a current up to maximum 13A.

Therefore the oven would take about 6.5A at full load (top and bottom elements heating).
From this the cable is probably just about OK for the fixed load of the oven.(normally classified as 6A but if supplied with the appliance should be OK)
The cable is 3 core flex so it can be safely connected to a BS1363 plug (a normal UK plug). However identification of the cable cores colours and connections would be useful prior to cutting off the plug so that the earth can be correctly identified and so connected to the BS1363 plug.
The plug should have a fuse of preferably 10A (5A or 3A would be too small and 13A might be overdoing it, but would be acceptable according to the general rules on testing appliances).

I would suggest that if you want to use a Euro to UK adaptor that you ensure it is one that is rated for 13A such as this or this, as there are many only rated for 3 or 5A or may not continue the earthing.

The best method of approach would be to identify where the cores of the cables go to the existing plug, remove the existing plug and securely and correctly connect a standard UK plug fitted with a 10A fuse.
The oven should then work correctly and safely.

 

[DPG]

So to summarise
You have a 1500W 28L Severin 2036 mini oven.
The oven has a specified voltage of 230V 50Hz.
The oven instructions state that the appliance must be earthed.
The oven is supplied with a power cord that is a 3 core cable with EPR (rubber) insulation and sheathing of a cross sectional diameter of 0.75mm².
The plug on the end is a two pin plug suitable for European sockets (and presumably has a metal plate near the top of the inside face that would be an earth connector) suitable to take a voltage up to maximum 250V and a current up to maximum 13A.

Therefore the oven would take about 6.5A at full load (top and bottom elements heating).
From this the cable is probably just about OK for the fixed load of the oven.(normally classified as 6A but if supplied with the appliance should be OK)
The cable is 3 core flex so it can be safely connected to a BS1363 plug (a normal UK plug). However identification of the cable cores colours and connections would be useful prior to cutting off the plug so that the earth can be correctly identified and so connected to the BS1363 plug.
The plug should have a fuse of preferably 10A (5A or 3A would be too small and 13A might be overdoing it, but would be acceptable according to the general rules on testing appliances).

I would suggest that if you want to use a Euro to UK adaptor that you ensure it is one that is rated for 13A such as this or this, as there are many only rated for 3 or 5A or may not continue the earthing.

The best method of approach would be to identify where the cores of the cables go to the existing plug, remove the existing plug and securely and correctly connect a standard UK plug fitted with a 10A fuse.
The oven should then work correctly and safely.

Nicely summed up there Richard. Daz

 

[Kez 8]

Hi Richard, Wow ! is all I can say ....:iagree: DARE I do do otherwise after all that !
Ok, you win, I'll hack off the offending 2 pin......