bath in bedroom

[electrician4u]

called to a job where the customer wanted more sockets in his bedroom. more than surprised to find a bath about 1 meter away from his bed which he said was moved there 12 years ago with the full consent of the council.he said they hadn't brought up any problems with existing sockets when this was agreed.told him he can't have any sockets within 3 meters of bath.he said he can't accept that.he's also got light switches in the room. would i be right in thinking that's not on also?they're also within 3 meters of the bath

 

[Geordie Spark]

I've heard of a bed bath, but this is something else !!!

 

[markc123]

Pick up tools & walk away.

 

[Andy78]

As markc123 said, don't get involved unless he is willing to toe the line of the regs.

If there are sockets already within the 3m zone I would be walking away and issuing a letter to the client detailing the dangers involved. Any RCD protection present on existing sockets ?

 

[Badged01]

With that bath there that bedroom has become a "special location" in the regs! Any work you do has to comply to the 3m distance, RCD etc ..... so you CANNOT be adding to the existing socket circuits. You can add sockets in the location provided they are greater than 3m and on a new circuit plus meet all the other requirements -- but not off the existing socket circuit in the bedroom.

Dont forget on the EIC for the new circuit, you would also have to raise the non-conformance of the existing sockets and possibly issue a report of a potentially dangerous situation depending on how you view it!

Think the best advise has been given above. If the customer doesnt want to change then pack up your tool bag and head for the nearest door!

 

[Geordie Spark]

With that bath there that bedroom has become a "special location" in the regs! Any work you do has to comply to the 3m distance, RCD etc ..... so you CANNOT be adding to the existing socket circuits. You can add sockets in the location provided they are greater than 3m and on a new circuit plus meet all the other requirements -- but not off the existing socket circuit in the bedroom.

Dont forget on the EIC for the new circuit, you would also have to raise the non-conformance of the existing sockets and possibly issue a report of a potentially dangerous situation depending on how you view it!

Think the best advise has been given above. If the customer doesnt want to change then pack up your tool bag and head for the nearest PUB![/QUOTE]

I have corrected your mistake.

There will be no charge for this.

 

[markc123]

Still struggling to justify a bed next to the bath...

EUREKA

Has the Client installed it for those times his wife is snoring at 4am when you're up at 6 so he can shove her off and nearlly drown her to get her to SHUT THE F UP!!!!!!!!

?

 

[Geordie Spark]

Still struggling to justify a bed next to the bath...

EUREKA

Has the Client installed it for those times his wife is snoring at 4am when you're up at 6 so he can shove her off and nearlly drown her to get her to SHUT THE F UP!!!!!!!!

?

Sorry about that ... I had a particularly bad curry last night.

I can lend you a can of air freshener until such times as my vowels return to normal.

 

[ruston]

Sorry about that ... I had a particularly bad curry last night.

I can lend you a can of air freshener until such times as my vowels return to normal.

Geordie, I will have to clear this up for them and tell them that the bath is for keeping the COAL in.

 

[tidyboiler]

Sorry about that ... I had a particularly bad curry last night.

I can lend you a can of air freshener until such times as my vowels return to normal.

Well if you will eat that Asda sh***......................... and dare I ask who heated it? :frown2:

 

[Octopus]

called to a job where the customer wanted more sockets in his bedroom. more than surprised to find a bath about 1 meter away from his bed which he said was moved there 12 years ago with the full consent of the council.he said they hadn't brought up any problems with existing sockets when this was agreed.told him he can't have any sockets within 3 meters of bath.he said he can't accept that.he's also got light switches in the room. would i be right in thinking that's not on also?they're also within 3 meters of the bath

You need to brush up on your zones.

 

[electrician4u]

You need to brush up on your zones.

that's a big help.thanks for those words of wisdom

 

[Octopus]

that's a big help.thanks for those words of wisdom

Well... its all shown in the OSG! Do you have a copy?

 

[Geordie Spark]

that's a big help.thanks for those words of wisdom

I've not used this response in a while now, so needed to knock the dust of it before presenting it to you, but here it is .... :drummer: .......... Are you an Electrician??

 

[Geordie Spark]

Well... its all shown in the OSG! Do you have a copy?

OMG what's an OSG??

 

[makken]

Nice to see proffessional tradesmen caring about other peoples lives when they are in danger :cuss:. Seems as the chap said the local council done it and the persons life is at risk do you not feel a 3min call to notify the local building control officer would be appropriate in this situation.

 

[Engineer54]

Those draconian out of date UK bathroom rules again!! Our European cousins and our relatives across the pond all allow RCD protected socket outlets in bathrooms and have done so for more years than i can remember!! Doesn't seem to have done them any harm, knowing the Germans, they would be the first to start slapping ban's on outlets in bathrooms if they had reason too!!

Having said that, an open bath within the bedroom is more than a little strange. So how do they cope with spills and the like?? Shame you didn't snap a photo or two!! lol!!

 

[electrician4u]

Well... its all shown in the OSG! Do you have a copy?

I don't think it's clear at all in the OSG. there's actually no specific reference to light switches.in fact, it says accessories are allowed outside zones, which could be 0.6 from the edge of the bath. everyone knows about sockets so no need to go there.
i would be delighted if you could tell me where in the Regs or the OSG it specifically says no light switches allowed outside the zones.

 

[cobrauk]

we had this in a house being built the client wanted a bath in the bed room it was not big enough to comply with the regs so we said no, in the end we had the get the NICEIC to write a letter explaining we were correct before they excepted we right.

What did they do ? they installed one after we finished to job. I found out when I have to go back so sort out another problem, the plumber who installed it also did know he was doing wrong as he was there when we told her she couldn't have one but he still installed it go figure ? I just hope nothing ever happens as it is all documented from our point of view and he would be in the s*it big time

 

[electrician4u]

Those draconian out of date UK bathroom rules again!! Our European cousins and our relatives across the pond all allow RCD protected socket outlets in bathrooms and have done so for more years than i can remember!! Doesn't seem to have done them any harm, knowing the Germans, they would be the first to start slapping ban's on outlets in bathrooms if they had reason too!!

Having said that, an open bath within the bedroom is more than a little strange. So how do they cope with spills and the like?? Shame you didn't snap a photo or two!! lol!!

I dread to think how they cope with it.apparently it used to be the kitchen.i could maybe understand if it was a fancy Victorian type bath but it's an ugly corner bath with all the pipes on display and held up with various clamps and bits of timber.the guys a bit of a catweasle i think

 

[electrician4u]

we had this in a house being built the client wanted a bath in the bed room it was not big enough to comply with the regs so we said no, in the end we had the get the NICEIC to write a letter explaining we were correct before they excepted we right.

What did they do ? they installed one after we finished to job. I found out when I have to go back so sort out another problem, the plumber who installed it also did know he was doing wrong as he was there when we told her she couldn't have one but he still installed it go figure ? I just hope nothing ever happens as it is all documented from our point of view and he would be in the s*it big time

I think I'm gonna take your advise and walk away. he told me if i don't do the sockets he'll just do them himself despite my advise. I know from past experience, if a customer starts arguing the ---- before you've even started they are not going to get any better later! unfortunately, some people think every tradesman on the planet is out to rip them off...I'll keep an eye in the local press for the headline:'man electrocuted in bizarre bedroom bath'

 

[AndyL]

I don't think it's clear at all in the OSG. there's actually no specific reference to light switches.in fact, it says accessories are allowed outside zones, which could be 0.6 from the edge of the bath. everyone knows about sockets so no need to go there.
i would be delighted if you could tell me where in the Regs or the OSG it specifically says no light switches allowed outside the zones.

I think you answer your own question here

 

[electrician4u]

I think you answer your own question here

please elaborate

 

[7029 dave]

I would pass it bye!!.

 

[Deleted member 9648]

I don't think it's clear at all in the OSG. there's actually no specific reference to light switches.in fact, it says accessories are allowed outside zones, which could be 0.6 from the edge of the bath. everyone knows about sockets so no need to go there.
i would be delighted if you could tell me where in the Regs or the OSG it specifically says no light switches allowed outside the zones.

FFS.....701.512.3 states the type of switchgear not permitted in bath/shower room zones...only you have suggested light switches are not permitted outside the zones,if you read 701.512.3 you will see that the only specific mention of switchgear/accessories outside the zones is for non SELV LV socket outlets,so therefore by default light switches are permitted outside the zones...ie >0.6m from the edge of the bath.Do you have a copy of 7671?

 

[electrician4u]

i do indeed.but to be honest, i've never been in a bathroom without a pullswitch so just assumed that perhaps somewhere hidden in the regs was something prohibiting light switches.perhaps the regs have changed otherwise you'd see switches more often?

 

[Engineer54]

I think I'm gonna take your advise and walk away. he told me if i don't do the sockets he'll just do them himself despite my advise. I know from past experience, if a customer starts arguing the ---- before you've even started they are not going to get any better later! unfortunately, some people think every tradesman on the planet is out to rip them off...I'll keep an eye in the local press for the headline:'man electrocuted in bizarre bedroom bath'

Unless this guy does something extremely silly i fear you'll be waiting with baited breath for a very long time!!

 

[electrician4u]

FFS.....701.512.3 states the type of switchgear not permitted in bath/shower room zones...only you have suggested light switches are not permitted outside the zones,if you read 701.512.3 you will see that the only specific mention of switchgear/accessories outside the zones is for non SELV LV socket outlets,so therefore by default light switches are permitted outside the zones...ie >0.6m from the edge of the bath.Do you have a copy of 7671?

having been a rule for god-knows how long (zone 3, anyone?) seems like a very backward step to allow this. don't tell me if you walked into a bathroom and saw a light switch on the wall you wouldn't think it was odd?and presumably you're now allowed switched fused spurs for radiators?

 

[Des 56]

having been a rule for god-knows how long (zone 3, anyone?) seems like a very backward step to allow this. don't tell me if you walked into a bathroom and saw a light switch on the wall you wouldn't think it was odd?and presumably you're now allowed switched fused spurs for radiators?

I have a switch on the wall in my bathroom,I think its odd, but the Mrs quite likes the cheap white look.maybe I should paint the wall a different colour

 

[Guest55]

having been a rule for god-knows how long (zone 3, anyone?) seems like a very backward step to allow this. don't tell me if you walked into a bathroom and saw a light switch on the wall you wouldn't think it was odd?and presumably you're now allowed switched fused spurs for radiators?

ever switched on the hob / kettle / extractor / wash. mach, / lights / socket / toaster in the kitchen with wet hands after using the sink or washing the van or coming in from the rain ?

millions do every day , no-one gets killed.
and seeing as all circuits within bathroom now have to be rcd'd, what do you percieve as the risk to having a wall switch out of the zones ?

;-)

 

[Geordie Spark]

having been a rule for god-knows how long (zone 3, anyone?) seems like a very backward step to allow this. don't tell me if you walked into a bathroom and saw a light switch on the wall you wouldn't think it was odd?and presumably you're now allowed switched fused spurs for radiators?

I've always found a radiator valve to be a much better option. You can get a thermostatic version which looks nice, however, each to his / her own ...........

 

[Aindowsimon]

I was in a job other day , where I was doing heating control wiring only and a different firm doing installation wiring and a bath was on a bedroom there were 3 2g SO within a Meter!! Of the bath and this install has been tested but yet handed over . Sure everyone knows these basics and just choose to ignore them !

 

[Geordie Spark]

I was in a job other day , where I was doing heating control wiring only and a different firm doing installation wiring and a bath was on a bedroom there were 3 2g SO within a Meter!! Of the bath and this install has been tested but yet handed over . Sure everyone knows these basics and just choose to ignore them !

There comes a time when all is said and done that you just have to shake your head in pure disbelief and bewilderment and try to forget about it !!

Accept the fact that this world is full of idiots ranging from the well-meaning amateur idiot such as those who haunt - plague even - forums such as this, right through to the twenty four carat solid gold supercharged professional idiot that you often find in government circles, but no matter - there are far too many of them for mere mortals like you and I to worry about, so chill and let's have a beer. :17:

 

[Aindowsimon]

That's wat I sayd to the plumber he tolled me " it's easy to slag somebody else's work " haha this plumber is fresh out of doing a 2 year evening course in electrical engineering haha , I think I'm a supercharged 24 carrot idiot magnet I seem to be surrounded by them

 

[Geordie Spark]

That's wat I sayd to the plumber he tolled me " it's easy to slag somebody else's work " haha this plumber is fresh out of doing a 2 year evening course in electrical engineering haha , I think I'm a supercharged 24 carrot idiot magnet I seem to be surrounded by them

I know what you mean - I am too and I can't decide if it's a gift that we have or a curse!!

It CAN be quite entertaining though.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

I know what you mean - I am too and I can't decide if it's a gift that we have or a curse!!

It CAN be quite entertaining though.

a bit like some of the spelling in here....

 

[Geordie Spark]

a bit like some of the spelling in here....

Oh dear God yes .. what with Geordies, Jocks, Taffys, Brummaaaays and then add a Tyke or two and it's like the Leaning Tower of Babel