compulsory E.I.C's for domestic properties?

[MerlinGremlin]

Spoon how can you say you don't trust someone making a comment like I did? Do you or do you not believe in safety? Do you fit rcbo ' s on circuits that require them? Do you check for cross bonding and bonding to incoming services? I merely stated that you can't put a price on safety and you reply with I can't be trusted!!

 

[MerlinGremlin]

I might stop fitting split load boards and rcbo ' s as they cost so much, I got quoted £110+vat today for a square d qo rcbo and I needed 6, the client never batted an eye lid and said if that's the cost that's the cost! All I was stating it could bring up the standards of domestic installs that was all.

 

[Spoon]

Spoon how can you say you don't trust someone making a comment like I did? Do you or do you not believe in safety? Do you fit rcbo ' s on circuits that require them? Do you check for cross bonding and bonding to incoming services? I merely stated that you can't put a price on safety and you reply with I can't be trusted!!

Firstly, I work in the industrial sector. I'm a pen pusher so I don't fit anything.
As Tony has pointed out in an earlier post.. Its not about safety, its about money.
I also say that because everyone that has said "you can't put a price on safety" to me has just been interested in getting more money from me. e.g. Why should I spend £80 on a tire for the car, that is 'guaranteed to go 140mph'. £35 are safe enough. Max speed is 70mph here anyhow. Money grabbing people.
If you believe you hype then I take it you vehicle has all the latest safety features. (see some of them below: I'm sure there are more)
ABS - Anti-lock Braking System, EBD - Electinic Break-force Distribution, EBA - Electronic Brake Assist, ESC - Electronic Stability Control, DTC - Dynamic Traction Control, Side Airbags, Lane Departure Warning System, Speed-limiting Devices, Adaptive Headlamps, Backup Cameras, Heated Wiper Blades & Washing Fluid
If not then I'm sure your with your "you can't put a price on safety" spiel then you will instantly go out and upgrade it. Cost is not an issue...

 

[Guest77]

Spoon how can you say you don't trust someone making a comment like I did? Do you or do you not believe in safety? Do you fit rcbo ' s on circuits that require them? Do you check for cross bonding and bonding to incoming services? I merely stated that you can't put a price on safety and you reply with I can't be trusted!!

I always use a condom, must be sensitive though, otherwise you may as well wrap some sandwich bags around it lol

 

[dazza1981]

I always use a condom, must be sensitive though, otherwise you may as well wrap some sandwich bags around it lol

Yeah but as the OP is so SAFETY minded he wears 6 condoms in case a few fall off PMSL

 

[Spoon]

I always use a condom, must be sensitive though, otherwise you may as well wrap some sandwich bags around it lol

I know a guy who used cling film as he didn't have a condom... but that is changing the thread...

 

[Guest77]

I know a guy who used cling film as he didn't have a condom... but that is changing the thread...

I think it has run it's course anyhow now lol

 

[Spoon]

I think it has run it's course anyhow now lol

I dont know. Im sure the OP will come back stating he walkes around in bubble wrap and drives a humvee and is single with no kids, as everyone knows getting married & having kids is very unsafe.

 

[Silly Sausage]

I always use a condom, must be sensitive though, otherwise you may as well wrap some sandwich bags around it lol

We use cling film Up North.

 

[Spoon]

We use cling film Up North.

haha.. we are not fussy.

 

[Guest111]

Anything involving insurance companies and "discounts" is bound to end up in a rip off! I can't wait 'till next year when I hit 50,my car insurance is £500 a year I've never made a claim and it's just a rip off yet there are loads saying save 80% for drivers over 50,some chance,same with part P when it first came out they said all sorts had to be done by a part P electrician and have paperwork to state this yet nobody went around counting the fittings in every house did they?so long as you have an EICR if you sell the property then fine.Certificates are all well and good if they are done properly,we had our council house done earlier this year and no way was it done properly,it took about 30 minutes,he took off no fronts from anything didn't check the bonding in fact he did very little,despite clear evidence that alterations had been done since the last inspection.I am all for safety but things have to be done for reasons of safety not just as an excuse to make money or use as a get out clause.Insurance companies are well known for using any little thing to get out of not paying,for example did you know that if you fit alloy wheels to your vehicle and don't tell them then they can and will refuse to pay out in the event of a claim,It happened to someone I know.

 

[UNG]

MerlinGremlin your what price do you put on safety has to be tempered with the potential hazard and risk that may be present to suggest all the homes in the UK need annual inspections is just way over the top

Another way to look at your statement
What price do you put on fear, the fear that something may go wrong, that you need to buy that maintenance contract because you might just might need it as that salesman that cold calls turns the fear screw and hopes you crack. You could replace "What price do you put on fear" with " What price do you put on safety" it's all the same

 

[aesmith]

What would the scheme cost anyway? Not just what the householders pay, but costs for setting up the regulatory and enforcement regime. Inspections presumably do nothing for safety unless there's mandatory rectification of issues found, so that would need to be fleshed out as well.

 

[Knobhead]

There’s no point adding flesh to what is essentially a horse that’s already been flogged to death. It will just stink more as time goes on.

It’s a madcap idea with no other purpose other than it’s an easy money maker.

It crops up here about once a year like a hardy annual.

 

[MerlinGremlin]

I've got to fuel in my car somehow and my porsche cayenne is abit thirsty due to the turbo.

 

[Guest77]

At the end of the day the idea of a 20% check every year is a silly one, it won't happen and never will just plain daft, as bobby robson once said, as daft as a brush lol

 

[DPG]

Porsche Cayenne - ah, that explains a lot. Daz

 

[Knobhead]

I've got to fuel in my car somehow and my porsche cayenne is abit thirsty due to the turbo.

You should get together with the guy that was asking about I&T mobile buildings a while back.

You drive past in one direction while the building is heading in the opposite direction.

This subject crops up time and again, every time the OP gets slated by those with common sense.

 

[davesparks]

If he tries to put any visible stickers on the CU he’ll be on hospital food for a while.

Now that's a clear cut C2 if ever I saw one, potentially dangerous client

 

[Knobhead]

That’s an ironic thanks Dave.

 

[davesparks]

Can I come and do your EICR? I'm sure I can find all sorts of pretty stickers to stick on each and every switch, socket and lamp.
I reckon I could rustle up a box of single pole RCBOs for the remedials just for you :30:

 

[Knobhead]

I’m going to take the RCBO’s out as you well know. I need to do it before I can fit the Ellison OCB to the lounge lights. Although I imagine Pink Minx will have something to say about the new light switch.

 

[davesparks]

Being of a generation born after the heyday of the OCB I have to ask why fitting one necessitates the removal of the RCBO?

 

[Knobhead]

Just in case there’s a fault on the UV coil neutral.









That’s got bog all to do with it.
But the comment fits in with the rest of the Male Bovine Excrement in this thread.

 

[davesparks]

Ok but if there is a fault on the neutral then surely you want the RCBO to be detecting that fault and disconnect the live instead of disconnecting the fault yeah? That's how it's supposed to work isn't it, detect a fault in one wire and then disconnect another wire but not the one with the fault on it.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

As far as I can tell, it's law now to have at least 3 stickers on a DB/CU.
Oh and that's a 'legal' law, as opposed to any other sorts.

 

[Knobhead]

Ok but if there is a fault on the neutral then surely you want the RCBO to be detecting that fault and disconnect the live instead of disconnecting the fault yeah? That's how it's supposed to work isn't it, detect a fault in one wire and then disconnect another wire but not the one with the fault on it.

Something like that.

If people wonder why I don't like RCBO's, Dave's just given the answer.

 

[shanky887614]

Something like that.

If people wonder why I don't like RCBO's, Dave's just given the answer.

isn't that only sp rcbo's?

I thought the dp rcbo's disconnected both?

 

[Silly Sausage]

Rumours are abound that some poor soul went to do an EICR and he hasn't reported back to work or rung his Mrs.

 

[davesparks]

Rumours are abound that some poor soul went to do an EICR and he hasn't reported back to work or rung his Mrs.

Clearly he wasn't carrying it out at the approved speed of 40MPH then!

 

[davesparks]

isn't that only sp rcbo's?

I thought the dp rcbo's disconnected both?

Yes, it is just the single pole RCBO that suffers from this particular bit of less than genius design.

 

[Knobhead]

As far as I can tell, it's law now to have at least 3 stickers on a DB/CU.
Oh and that's a 'legal' law, as opposed to any other sorts.

Which labels would they be? I’ve yet to see one that gives crucial information regarding a domestic installations.

Which law would that be?

 

[UNG]

As far as I can tell, it's law now to have at least 3 stickers on a DB/CU.
Oh and that's a 'legal' law, as opposed to any other sorts.

As BS7671 has no legal status under what 'legal' law is this required?

 

[Knobhead]

Are there any useful labels for CU's, other than switch designation? (The one that is needed but often isn’t there.)

 

[davesparks]

Are there any useful labels for CU's, other than switch designation? (The one that is needed but often isn’t there.)

I sometimes think a couple of tamper evident labels over the lid screws would be quite useful.

 

[stevethesparks]

A Ze label could be useful for any future visits - inside would do.

 

[davesparks]

What's your thinking behind that one?

 

[Knobhead]

I sometimes think a couple of tamper evident labels over the lid screws would be quite useful.

Computer manufacturers tried that in the late 80s. It went to court and it was deemed an unfair trading practice.

 

[davesparks]

Computer manufacturers tried that in the late 80s. It went to court and it was deemed an unfair trading practice.

I guess they had different reasons for putting them there.

I don't want to stop anyone else from opening it, I just want to know if someone has been in there if I get called back for any reason.

 

[ferg]

I guess they had different reasons for putting them there.

I don't want to stop anyone else from opening it, I just want to know if someone has been in there if I get called back for any reason.

Recently I opened up a board I'd installed.
The words out of my mouth were something like
" Good golly and gosh, what is this I see before me?
The probability that this addition was by me is quite small.
Which one of you fine woodworking gentlemen has been expanding your horizons?
Ahh 'twas you good sir.
Could I please ask you to refrain from such activities in future?"

Or something like that anyway

 

[jaypp]

Anything involving insurance companies and "discounts" is bound to end up in a rip off! I can't wait 'till next year when I hit 50,my car insurance is £500 a year I've never made a claim and it's just a rip off yet there are loads saying save 80% for drivers over 50,some chance,same with part P when it first came out they said all sorts had to be done by a part P electrician and have paperwork to state this yet nobody went around counting the fittings in every house did they?so long as you have an EICR if you sell the property then fine.Certificates are all well and good if they are done properly,we had our council house done earlier this year and no way was it done properly,it took about 30 minutes,he took off no fronts from anything didn't check the bonding in fact he did very little,despite clear evidence that alterations had been done since the last inspection.I am all for safety but things have to be done for reasons of safety not just as an excuse to make money or use as a get out clause.Insurance companies are well known for using any little thing to get out of not paying,for example did you know that if you fit alloy wheels to your vehicle and don't tell them then they can and will refuse to pay out in the event of a claim,It happened to someone I know.

Weren't they on there when you bought the vehicle?:smiley2:

 

[davesparks]

Weren't they on there when you bought the vehicle?:smiley2:

If they aren't on the original build spec which the manufacturer will have on file and referenced to the VIN number then it won't matter whether they were on there when you bought it or not, they will try to use it to wriggle out of a claim.

 

[shanky887614]

If they aren't on the original build spec which the manufacturer will have on file and referenced to the VIN number then it won't matter whether they were on there when you bought it or not, they will try to use it to wriggle out of a claim.

yup they will say the vechical has been modified and null insurance.

 

[jaypp]

I'll bear that in mind when I put low profiles on the van. What about spinners?

 

[UNG]

I'll bear that in mind when I put low profiles on the van. What about spinners?

Now you are opening up another can of worms over the load rating of tyres and whether they need to be reinforced van tyres

 

[jaypp]

Now you are opening up another can of worms over the load rating of tyres and whether they need to be reinforced van tyres

I was thinking of something with about an inch tyre wall, surely that won't need to be reinforced?

 

[UNG]

I was thinking of something with about an inch tyre wall, surely that won't need to be reinforced?

The height of the tyre wall has nothing to do with it, I don't know what van you drive but the limiting factor on tyre choice is down to it's load rating and the carrying capacity of the vehicle

I would imagine a van on very low profile tyres with any load in would give an awful ride quality

 

[jaypp]

I'll bear that in mind when I put low profiles on the van. What about spinners?

Now you are opening up another can of worms over the load rating of tyres and whether they need to be reinforced van tyres

The height of the tyre wall has nothing to do with it, I don't know what van you drive but the limiting factor on tyre choice is down to it's load rating and the carrying capacity of the vehicle

I would imagine a van on very low profile tyres with any load in would give an awful ride quality

Sorry bud, I'm not putting low profiles or spinners on my van it was a poor attempt at humour. I would have thought though, that the tyre wall size would have alot to do with its load carrying capacity. As I see it, (may be wrong) short lengths of materials are able to withstand a greater force before flexing or buckling than a longer length

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Sorry about the 'legal' law remark.
I recently had a convocation with someone at work, and it appeared to be their favourite saying.
I didn't bother asking them what other kind of laws there are.