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GaryM
Approximately, how much is the average household electricity bill increased by to per year pay for the Feed in Tariff scheme?
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malcolmsanford
Just a few pounds I would imagine if that
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GaryM
It's a query due to a random mental nutcase on another forum accusing me of practically murdering old people becauce I'm the reason why their electricity bill is so high due to claiming a FiT!
I assumed it would be less than £10 per annum.
I assumed it would be less than £10 per annum.
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TedM
On domestic bills (it is also effectively added to non-domestic) the average is about £2 a year.
You might point out that the CERT/CESP and ROC contributions (to pay for free/cheap light bulbs, insulation, wind farms and overpriced but subsidised EAGA boiler upgrades) adds about £20 a year
You might point out that the CERT/CESP and ROC contributions (to pay for free/cheap light bulbs, insulation, wind farms and overpriced but subsidised EAGA boiler upgrades) adds about £20 a year
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malcolmsanford
I think it is like most things when times are affluent a couple of pounds on bills here and there to subsidize technology is basically shrugged off.
Unfortunately because of the media attention given to PV as a whole, and these more austere times, it is looked at people who can afford the 6-10K for a system, is being subsidized by people who can not afford install them, and technically they are right.
I was very anti PV as a subsidized technology when the FIT was at the rate of 41.3 and to be honest I think it is also abhorrent that these rates are going to rise in line with inflation, If I were the government I would be looking at every means available to me to cap the rate at 41.3p.
The new lower rate I think is a little more palatable, though only just, because in all honesty I would imagine a vast majority of people installing PV up and down the country have very little interest in saving the planet, but making money, and though it is just a few pounds, in whichever form it takes, the bottom line is people that can afford to install it is being subsidized by the poorer who can't
Unfortunately because of the media attention given to PV as a whole, and these more austere times, it is looked at people who can afford the 6-10K for a system, is being subsidized by people who can not afford install them, and technically they are right.
I was very anti PV as a subsidized technology when the FIT was at the rate of 41.3 and to be honest I think it is also abhorrent that these rates are going to rise in line with inflation, If I were the government I would be looking at every means available to me to cap the rate at 41.3p.
The new lower rate I think is a little more palatable, though only just, because in all honesty I would imagine a vast majority of people installing PV up and down the country have very little interest in saving the planet, but making money, and though it is just a few pounds, in whichever form it takes, the bottom line is people that can afford to install it is being subsidized by the poorer who can't
Had that with Banallsheds. Tell him he's a lying **** !!!!!!!
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Green
Some guidelines in this article; Delaying cuts to feed-in tariffs would cost households less than £1 a year - 03 Nov 2011 - News from BusinessGreen
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GaryM
Haha, it's him I'm refering to!
Just wish I had the opportunity of a face to face meeting with him.
Tell him you'll gladly meet him at the coach & horses Ickenham the **** will **** himself 
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MorganPVI
Half the people that signed up in the first year paid £16 - 20k for their 4kw system, so a higher tariff was needed to make the FiT attractive and kickstart the industry, the people making the real killing had installs from the 12th Dec - 3rd March, they paid the least for their install. This was directly the fault of the goverment, they have created a situtation that lead to overpriced returns via the feed in tariff.
" being subsidized by the poorer"
I cannot agree completely with this, we agree that the maximum cost to the bill payer is £3/yr for Solar PV. Poorer people usually do not pay via direct debit for their energy bills, that costs them £6/yr extra - double the subsidy!! I would very much like to see this issue and the £20/yr ROC subsidy in the spotlight as opposed to the solar FiT cost.
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malcolmsanford
I would cede that there had to be an incentive for PV and the cost of the install was greater at the start than it is now, but why is the 41.3p rate still linked to inflation ?
No matter how we spin it or look at it, the bottom line is that it is subsidized and though ALL of us pay for that through our bills, regardless of status, it was never means tested, and therefore, an household earning 150K a year, who took advantage of cheaper tariffs ie direct debit, will pay less that perhaps an household that is struggling and can only afford to pay by a key meter, it is bound these days to cause dissension.
I'm perhaps a little biased against subsidies, coming from a pit back ground, where I was told that there must be closures because a country can not afford to subsidize an industry that is not profitable, every industry must stand on it's own to thrive ...............and so thousands upon thousands were made unemployed, and whole communities dismantled ........................but anything green is not expected to abide by this.
No matter how we spin it or look at it, the bottom line is that it is subsidized and though ALL of us pay for that through our bills, regardless of status, it was never means tested, and therefore, an household earning 150K a year, who took advantage of cheaper tariffs ie direct debit, will pay less that perhaps an household that is struggling and can only afford to pay by a key meter, it is bound these days to cause dissension.
I'm perhaps a little biased against subsidies, coming from a pit back ground, where I was told that there must be closures because a country can not afford to subsidize an industry that is not profitable, every industry must stand on it's own to thrive ...............and so thousands upon thousands were made unemployed, and whole communities dismantled ........................but anything green is not expected to abide by this.
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MorganPVI
I can understand your view on this after seeing what happened to the pits, but with all the global warming, peak oil, C02 etc, Solar PV is worth funding. It is a real shame that less well off people have to pay for it, but then we all pay taxes that fund things we don't like.
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malcolmsanford
Unfortunately pits were closed on the back of a leader not wanting the same thing to happen to her as what happened to Heath in 1973, and so an industry was destroyed, in conjuncture of cheaper coal from Europe because of the lack of safety concerns and much lower wages was the real undoing of the industry
With modern techniques and technology who is to say what would have been the result of the coal industry. where I'm from in Kent our coal seam stretches to Germany where their fields are, with investment coal could have become cleaner as it is now and then you have nuclear.
For me the proportion of money thrown at inefficient technologies to the ratio of return still does not add up. For me while we still have the moon I would rather we piled money into tidal than sun, which only works when the sun shines, while tidal is much more reliable
With modern techniques and technology who is to say what would have been the result of the coal industry. where I'm from in Kent our coal seam stretches to Germany where their fields are, with investment coal could have become cleaner as it is now and then you have nuclear.
For me the proportion of money thrown at inefficient technologies to the ratio of return still does not add up. For me while we still have the moon I would rather we piled money into tidal than sun, which only works when the sun shines, while tidal is much more reliable
For me, a large part of it is giving some element of control over energy production to the householder. Most of us don't have another method of producing electricity (hydro/wind/tidal) in our back garden so generation through these methods will always have to come from big business. Solar panels, however, can be deployed pretty quickly and cheaply and brings power to the individual. Obviously this is not the whole solution but they clearly work and prices are gradually reducing to make them increasingly affordable.
Tidal is the way to go and British engineers have already patented such a device (which actually is very simple) but you have to mix and match your options a bit, some solar, some wind, tidal etc gets the best of all options.
I am the other way in regards to subsidies, i see all the time, factories getting funding for a third of their costs because they are going to employ more people, which will make THEM more money. You see farmers getting money, because of failed crops, or under performing items. I see lots of money getting thrown at people who dont want to work, some earning more than i am, but for once, theres actually a subsidy that is open to virtually anyone (even with a loan) the main flaw in this subsidy in my view, was allowing the larger subisdies for the largers systems and rent a roofs. If the individuals in houses could have benefitted more than the large scale systems (which usually are run by the wealthy) then that would have been better.
I am the other way in regards to subsidies, i see all the time, factories getting funding for a third of their costs because they are going to employ more people, which will make THEM more money. You see farmers getting money, because of failed crops, or under performing items. I see lots of money getting thrown at people who dont want to work, some earning more than i am, but for once, theres actually a subsidy that is open to virtually anyone (even with a loan) the main flaw in this subsidy in my view, was allowing the larger subisdies for the largers systems and rent a roofs. If the individuals in houses could have benefitted more than the large scale systems (which usually are run by the wealthy) then that would have been better.
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wstevew
Index linked means the rate can drop as well. Who knows what the future may bring.
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MorganPVI
Not cheaper electric prices thats for sure!
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