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Should I create a DIY forum to direct people away from this forum who are doing DIY jobs?

I could then make our three main forums (tilers, plumbers and electricians) all for professionals and trainees only. I think that's how most networks are doing it. So perhaps we do the same?

Your thoughts?
 
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My thoughts is no.
If a DIY question is posted on a DIY forum, they are going to get a DIY answer.... which may or may not be correct.
For example which works would now require an RCD which maybe didn’t when your mate down the pub spent 3 weeks as a labourer on a newbuild and watched the sparky for a bit.

Some of us may be guilty of saying “get a qualified spark in” and berating the OP to the point of them ignoring us and doing the job anyway.
You’ve mentioned it on other posts, Hurricane @Dan , that if you don’t have something constructive to say, don’t say it at all.... which we all try to do, but sometimes the OP is so far out of their depth they need to get pro help involved, and the “get a spark” advice is valid.

All the materials to change a DB or rewire a house can be bought by joe public from every Homebase and b&q in the land.... we’re not going to be able to stop anyone from giving it a try, but we can point them in the right direction to do it safely.
 
I agree with @littlespark they come on here and should receive professional advice. Some thing are easily addressed and I try and keep an eye on them and close them if necessary suggesting professional help is the only way forward. A DIY forum for DIY advice probably isn't a great idea.
 

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My thoughts is no.
If a DIY question is posted on a DIY forum, they are going to get a DIY answer.... which may or may not be correct.
For example which works would now require an RCD which maybe didn’t when your mate down the pub spent 3 weeks as a labourer on a newbuild and watched the sparky for a bit.

Some of us may be guilty of saying “get a qualified spark in” and berating the OP to the point of them ignoring us and doing the job anyway.
You’ve mentioned it on other posts, Hurricane @Dan , that if you don’t have something constructive to say, don’t say it at all.... which we all try to do, but sometimes the OP is so far out of their depth they need to get pro help involved, and the “get a spark” advice is valid.

All the materials to change a DB or rewire a house can be bought by joe public from every Homebase and b&q in the land.... we’re not going to be able to stop anyone from giving it a try, but we can point them in the right direction to do it safely.
Also, don't agree with " DIY Electrician" could always re Title to "DIY Electrical" After all Dan, DIY Electrician, MAY get up qualified, Electricians noses a triffle, you did ask for thoughts. those are mine. The same could be said about any Trades Person.
 
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telectrix

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as the forum is, DIYers come here for professional advice. if they want Dave who's swapped a few socket fronts, they can go to screwfix forym or DIYnot for bad advice. leave well alone. that's my thoughts.
 

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Also agree.

Leave the DIY forums to themselves. There’s too many forums out there offering dangerous advice. It’s not like painting a wall, or hanging a garden gate. Tackling electrical work without appropriate knowledge, experience and proper equipment, is a recipe for disaster. Whilst simple tasks, such as replacing a light or a switch, can be advised on here, there’s some that seem to determined to tackle more complex tasks.

Don’t think you should comprehend it @Dan.
 
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If poster takes advice from here and is injured or killed (while Darwin smiles down at them); where does that put this forum from a legal standpoint?

I would set a limit on what DIY advice we give; you can get cards from B&Q etc detailing how to change a light fixture but you won't find one for adding sockets to rings/radials or installing a sub-main etc (afaik - changing socket faceplates might be the exception) that's as far as our advice should go.

Anything that remotely involves taking the cover of the DB then the hard-line GET A PROFESSIONAL IN should be absolute default.

Now, posters may get the 'they're just saying that to get the job and money' vibe from that but **** em, we're doing them a favour, if you really wanted to negotiate with them to show that it's not just about job/money that's down to you.
 

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Always been a minefield and always will be on the internet.

We as electricians are taught to deal with things we know for definite. We cannot assess the competence of diyers or others for definite over the internet. Someone can tell us they know what they are doing but that's the same as someone telling us a supply is dead before we work on it, we need proof regardless. The ramifications for protection of life are the same.

The best advice on the internet from a professional to a diyer will and should always be the same. Get a professional in. It is professionally and morally remiss to advise otherwise unless the job is a simple one that requires no specialist knowledge and equipment, and the person can be instructed to do the job safely.
 

Dan

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I thought I was good too until I read this thread. I'll cancel the domains I bought then. PMSL. :D :D :D
 

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I thought I was good too until I read this thread. I'll cancel the domains I bought then. PMSL. :D :D :D
I hope you're joking (about buying them in the first place).

A 'sensible' middle ground may be a wiki type deal allowing us to share our knowledge and good practice (even if it stays internal while populated and articles verified).
 

Dan

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Oh Christ no that wouldn't work for tiling the products change so often supplier to supplier and week to week.

It's not 25 quid down the pan. I'll use them as test forums to break instead of the real ones. No boggy. Edit: No Biggy. lol
 
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I am happy to see that most folks don't think it would be a good idea.
I've said it many times before, I am not an electrician, but the advice on here is very valuable for the small jobs I can tackle, and I wouldn't like to be deprived of that. The safety advice is particularly important, and I think we have the right balance between "here's some advice, you appear competent enough for this task", and "get an electrician in". If I were to be banished to a DIY only forum I don't think I'd bother because I want to learn from electricians, not DIYers. I believe I am fairly competent at basic wiring and so on, but I don't touch CUs. I am a fairly competent "plumber" too, having completed numerous kitchen and bathroom projects, but I don't touch gas stuff or unvented cylinders etc.
Just my tuppence worth...
 

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I am happy to see that most folks don't think it would be a good idea.
I've said it many times before, I am not an electrician, but the advice on here is very valuable for the small jobs I can tackle, and I wouldn't like to be deprived of that. The safety advice is particularly important, and I think we have the right balance between "here's some advice, you appear competent enough for this task", and "get an electrician in". If I were to be banished to a DIY only forum I don't think I'd bother because I want to learn from electricians, not DIYers. I believe I am fairly competent at basic wiring and so on, but I don't touch CUs. I am a fairly competent "plumber" too, having completed numerous kitchen and bathroom projects, but I don't touch gas stuff or unvented cylinders etc.
Just my tuppence worth...
He said tuppence :D:D
 

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I think you are going in a good direction looking for the international market. It will bring more qualified experts to the forum.

A while ago you seemed to be preoccupied with the need to help every diyer who wanted to cut every corner and who then got in a strop if they didn't get there way.

I personally don't mind DIYers and like helping in the simple threads. But I think everyone also likes to reserve the right to give someone who is about to do something dangerous, a metaphorical boot up the hole.

Because at the end of the day, sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind and you can't pander to dangerous practices.
 

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Is this to me?

My stance hasn't changed.

I want the most members on the most forums. Have done since my first forum in 2001.

But they only work if they do what they say they do and don't have some agenda. Like run a training center or are linked to a tool supplier. Like all my competitors.
 

rapparee

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Is this to me?

My stance hasn't changed.

I want the most members on the most forums. Have done since my first forum in 2001.

But they only work if they do what they say they do and don't have some agenda. Like run a training center or are linked to a tool supplier. Like all my competitors.
Yes it was

I understand that you don't want disruptive members, it makes sense.

But I was merely stating that not every new member is a good thing either.

There is some higher calibre than others.

Would you rather have a electrical engineer from Brazil or Pamela from Stoke who has a can do attitude and is going to rewire her house herself. Most people know it's going to end in tears. Sometimes you need to say that they aren't capable of the work.
 

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When I was a little schoolboy ( a real one, long time ago...not a dressed up one, at weekends) my bus fare was a "tupp'ny half".
With inflation, it became a "thrupp'ny half" etc etc
I just mention this in passing, since my use of "tuppence" caused such joy:)
Not meaning to derail this thread, just saying...
 

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When I was a little schoolboy ( a real one, long time ago...not a dressed up one, at weekends) my bus fare was a "tupp'ny half".
With inflation, it became a "thrupp'ny half" etc etc
I just mention this in passing, since my use of "tuppence" caused such joy:)
Not meaning to derail this thread, just saying...
tuppence??? thought you used pieces of eight.
 

pirate

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Yes, Tel...four tuppences to an eight-piece..or eight-pence piece!
TRhe pre-decimal currency was so much better, imho...
remember the thrupp'ny bits???

(Don't...just don't!)
 

Dan

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Yes it was

I understand that you don't want disruptive members, it makes sense.

But I was merely stating that not every new member is a good thing either.

There is some higher calibre than others.

Would you rather have a electrical engineer from Brazil or Pamela from Stoke who has a can do attitude and is going to rewire her house herself. Most people know it's going to end in tears. Sometimes you need to say that they aren't capable of the work.
Both would be allowed.

The system awards people now. Not staff. Trying to step away from humans dealing with things. That's when it goes wrong and ends up biased.

Collective human input it good. So all member types posting ends up sorting its self out as long as everybody sticks to the rules.

To be fair I've forgot the previous posts in this thread I've been so sidetracked.

Hope that explains whatever your aim was there lol

Edit: I reread your post. The DIY person would go in the DIY forum on here and hopefully get told / realise it's too much and use our directory to find a local sparky.

On a DIY forum, we'd direct her to here to find a sparky.

I'm not sure a dedicated DIY forum would have so much electrical advice floating around to be fair. And also no Gas Advice, but lots of plumbing (water) advice.

DIYers tend to be DIYers. They will have a bash of anything.

I think if (don't think we're going ahead with it now) we ever had a DIY forum - The aim would be to find the jobs bigger than them, and send the work to the guys on our forums. Whether they took it up, not sure.

Apologies. I didn't read your reply properly.
 
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Oh yes, the farthings with the wee bird...oh, and florins too...made infamous by the expression "two-bob coachline"...
or was that just a Scottish thing?
 

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i well remember, at secondary school, we has a shilling per day for dinner money. friday was fish (as there was 1 catholic boy in a class of 36). me and my mate spent the friday shilling on 5 Park Drive apiece. our parents always wondered why we were ravenous at tea time.
 

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I'm guessing you smoked them, not ate them?
Imagine being able to buy a pack of 5 cigs, as a minor, these days? Crikey, the corner shop would sell "singles" to us as kids, no questions asked...
Park Drive though...that's posh!
 

telectrix

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we have progress now. min. quantity is 20 fags, so young kevin will need to nick a tenner from his mam's purse instead of a fiver.
 

Dan

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Branflakes all-round my end mate. Trying get rid of last Christmases extra weight still ready for this Christmas. :D
 

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bran flakes?? YUK. like eating the wood butcher's shavings. here, breakfast in the week is coffee and a fag or 3. weekends - bacon, eggs, sausage, mushrooms, hash browns,tomatoes, beans, fried bread, toast (real butter, not fake margerine), couple of brownies or choc chip cookies. after a good week, 1/2 bottle JD just to marinate that lot.

once dead, i'm donating my body to the british heart foundation. keep them baffled for years.
 
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Dan

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I'd hammer that breakfast right now.

(We need more smilies - I wanted the bacon one then - I'll stick it on my list - More smilies required)
 

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Passing Clouds, Balkan Sobranie, Capstan Full Strength, Craven "A", Disque Bleu, Gauloise, Fortuna, Ducados, John Player Special, Marlboro...we need a ciggie-nostalgia thread...
I'm off them over a year now, saving a fortune!
 
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